Profile of general_gawain

no i am not him but i just think this soviet team weapon spam issue needs to be looked at in general esp in team games(which i play mainly). a lot of ppl think maxim and zisgun are trash which is completely not the case when u pair them with a 6 man squad. (maxim SQUAD members can actually kill stuff).

i would like bring how unfair the soviet team weapons are esp the zis gun into the spot light since most of the fourm are ally fanboys crying about "axis OP" even though allys have higher win rate in team games. this is especially apparent in the last patch (prior to the IS nerf) where brit DOMINATED 1v1 tournaments while ally fanboys still screaming axis OP.

I play teamgames mainly too. Sometimes 2vs2 but more often 3vs3 and 4vs4. My personal experience is that axis is more easy to play. Although we started as allied players years ago as the game launched (you had to wait for games an eternity when playing axis at that time) and played them about eight times more frequently, we are winning more matches with axis atm. Main reason is the incredible strong performance of OKW in bigger game modes (Ostheer on the other side seems to be somehow on par with allied factions).

This is no place for ally apologism and shitposting. You will be reported.

We'll see how the admins will react. I'm pretty sure we both know the outcome already...

They buffed the Shermdozer a while back and it's a solid unit now.

In comparison to Brummbar buffed Dozer at Vet0 has:

80 less health / 40 less armor / 0.4 less speed / 0.3 less accleration / less AOE / less AOE damage / way less pentration (has 35 while Brummbar has 100-140) -> it deals deflection damage like Brummbar since buff at least

Vet influence: on Vet1 it has 80 health more than Brummbar but on Vet2 it has 88 armor less than Brummbar (instead of 40)

It has a turret and slighty higher ROF, but its special ability is way worse than bunker buster and its projectile speed is even a little bit slower than Brummbars projectile speed. Its crew can disembark and repair. On the other side it can't have other doctrinal advantages like Brummbar (for example Panzer tactican) and locks out a whole bunch of other doctrinal abilities and units (Rangers, Pershing, Priests, Calliopes..).

Conclusion: All together I would always pick the Brummbar over the Dozer. Especially because it is nondoctrinal and thus can be combined with a lot of other units and abilities. So if the Dozer is fine, the Brummbar is fine more than ever.


Maybe one of the biggest problems of Dozer is that its low range means it gets totally wrecked by shrek blobs (infantry should be wrecked by Dozer instead) while Brummbar will bounce most Bazookas and Piats and only get the lower deflection damage. This difference gets even more obvious once Brummbar gets its armor uograde at Vet2. I do think Dozer is in a very akward position, way more than Brummbar.

I am not sure why you continue this, what I have pointed out is that PzIV are not a cost efficient counter to KV-8 and unless you want to argue that they are I have little to add.

Again the problem here is that KV-8 is too lethal it should be cheaper and less lethal.

I never challenged that the PZIV is not a good counter for KV8 and I do think it is not meant to be. I just said that StuG is a cost efficient tank counter. Then you that that is not a tank, but a TD, I said its an assault gun... and so on... so lets cut that.

The point is that the ATGs will not be of any help. Normally you don't use KV8 as a defensive tool, but as an assault tool. So you'll drive into the range of the StuG without the StuG beeing exposed to your ATG fire. only if it will follow your retreat it gets into range. A single StuG can force a KV8 into retreat at least. Don't forget that you have manpower/fuel and population to spare if you have a StuG and he has a KV8. So you should have something to support your StuG.

I absolutely agree that the KV8 is lethal and so is a halftrack with flamers or a Churchill with flamers all at their time. Its all about their timing and how they can be countered at that moment. I see the problem mainly in 2vs2 and up. When you get your KV8 there is already a growing shrek blob. My argument here was that the KV8 has to be crazy because shrek blobs are frontally so crazy strong vs tanks. Its similar with Ostwind and elite units with super Bazooka. The Ostwind (after is recent buffs) has to be strong to stand a chance. The Ostwind doesn't have to be strong to counter Shock Troops for instant. I'm all in for a nerf of KV8 that is bound to penetration and/or aimtime nerf (at least when not in cover) for shreks/super bazooka. Frontally storming at tanks to destroy them is such a lame game mechanic...

Ost T4 costs more to tech to than Sov T4. Only Ost has a true T4 that is actually expensive to tech to.

Posts like this lead to confusion at players who don't know. Both factions have same starting fuel, so I don't factor this in.


Full tech Ostheer with all phases and all buildings: 235 fuel
Full tech soviet with all buildings and side techs (molotov + AT grenade): 220 fuel

Thats not a big difference and its not a real one too, because in most games Ostheer will skip one building and Soviet will either skip T1 or T2 and depending on map probably the molotov too. This brings soviet down to around 200 fuel and ostheer down to about 220. Now it depends on playing style. If Soviet sets on early pressure with M3 it costs fuel. Most probably Soviet needs its T70 for 70 fuel and so on. On the other side Ostheer can build vehicles too, but there is no such important vehicle for Ostheer as the T70 for Soviet which delays for example a PZIV as much as the T70 delays the first KV8. So in a real game Soviet T4 doesn't come so early.