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Thread: Winter balance Mod (1/2020) Bug list18 Mar 2020, 08:23 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2020, 06:21 AMSneakEye The Valentine still has its scan weapon. It doesn't scan anymore, but it somehow still interacts with enemies which causes the unit to 'attack' and makes him sometimes visible on the minimap. Fix: remove the weapon in hardpoint 3, the old scan weapon. nice find In: COH2 Bugs
Thread: Tank Destroyer Standardization18 Mar 2020, 08:23 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 23:39 PMSaintPauli The problem is a bit more complicated. Heavy TDs need to less cost effective vs medium tank. The reason is that else in the long run they will always be a better choice of medium TDs. Increasing their damage is simply not enough since they will cause enough alpha damage to mediums to force them away. Since they need they need high penetration their chance to hit medium needs to lower. So they need an accuracy reduction. The JP having its range reduce to 50 is also problematic since the units is designed to counter M36/Su-85/FF because OKW do not have a 60 range ATG as other faction do. Finally introducing a medium TD to all faction would only make sense if all faction had the same tools in other sector also and they do not. For instance they do not all have light tanks. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Fallshrims got completely neutered over the years17 Mar 2020, 21:58 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 21:48 PMMazianni Falls have much less scatter on paradropping; you're far less likely to have any die on the drop. Not really. Their scatter depend on if you have vision on the LZ or not so it depends. Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 21:48 PMMazianni Why does OKW need one? USF doesn't have one either, and they're all pretty gamey to begin with. Ask Relic that inimitably design them Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 21:48 PMMazianni Soviet Guards Airborne by all rights SHOULD have been airdropped too, but relic shot that down. That was an animation issue not a decision of Relic. And they could simply be a call in squad. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Fallshrims got completely neutered over the years17 Mar 2020, 21:17 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 20:27 PMelchino7 1- Both. OP on their infiltration, UP on their commander. AI performance changing depending on patches. Badly design and implemented. So their where not actually causing faction balance issues only diversity with in the faction issues. Did they need a changes? yes. Did both units need to lose infiltration? no. Can their current implementation be improved? Yes if patches stop focusing on fire power and start focusing on utility. Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 20:27 PMelchino7 2- Depends on the power level of the infiltration. Infiltration as a concept and implementation is just cheesy. Just take a look at the only real infiltration unit which remains, the Partisans. Storm trooper, airborne guard and Inf. commandos are also infiltration unit. I would argue the partisan are semi decent and the commander is problem. As for AT partisan they are problematic but for other reasons. Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 20:27 PMelchino7 3- If they spawned with rifles, with grenades on cd, no. But at that point what accomplish infiltration? Gaining a garrison? What's the cost, more coding and complicating things by giving them 2 upgrades, one to buy freely 2 STG and a 2nd one after tech for another 2. That is the point of airdropping them? So that they can die by crushing to world objects because there are no beacons? So that they can be annihilated during the drop? If USF paras are designed correctly as and airdropped units Fallj should follow that desing and get more entities. If ST are correctly designed then fallJ should follow the same example and and be an infiltration unit. Now the take the worse of two worlds and OKW are left with no infiltration unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: My Ideal Fix for Bolster17 Mar 2020, 20:01 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 19:36 PMVermillion_Hawk ... In this case, "Hammer" would keep your infantry at 4 men but give them additional combat bonuses (ideally removing out-of-cover penalties and increasing on-the-move accuracy), while "Anvil" would give you the current Bolster upgrade but make Sections more dependent on cover to be effective in combat. .... Thoughts? Actually it should be the other way round. 4 men for static design similar to grenadier and 5 men for a more mobile designed. I have made this suggestions year ago. But there is simpler way to improve bolster. Instead of making squad spawn with the extra member it work similar to Ostheer and the unit could spawn 4 entities. Then they could see a cost reduction. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Fallshrims got completely neutered over the years17 Mar 2020, 19:53 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 19:29 PMelchino7 The claim they didn't cause balance issues is false as well. I am not sure what we are arguing now. In JLI and Fall where OP/UP before their changes because they where infiltration units or because they where badly implemented/designed? Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 19:29 PMelchino7 Both units could remain been infiltration units, but instead they would lose whatever they make them unique as well. So you agree with me that claim is false. Thank you. In you opinion if JLI remained an infiltration unit but where moved back to CP 2 they would become OP? In your opinion if Fallj remained an infiltration unit instead of airdropped unit and spawned with 4 rifles they would become op? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Another Take On The Heavy Tank Meta17 Mar 2020, 19:45 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 19:15 PMelchino7 And i'm saying that nerfing the counters doesn't necessarily translate to the goal of making them viable and meta on those modes at all. We have the current state of Heavies because of CP buffs + Performance buffs. We had weaker TDs against heavies and that didn't made them more viable on those modes. Not it does not necessarily. In large modes the problem was the CP restriction. In large modes the pace is faster while the CP gain is slower. Thus super heavies come to later and had less impact than smaller modes because their more on AT on the map. Lowering CP would be enough to make them more attractive in 4vs4 while the tech requirement could delay them in 1vs1. The buffs where too much/unnecessary. Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 19:15 PMelchino7 The issue is an inverse problem of the Super heavy TDs. Viable and meta on Teamgames, absolutely shit on 1v1. If you tried to push for them to be good on 1v1, they would destroy any resemblence of balance in other modes. Same ended happening with heavies in current meta. Imo there is a main difference here since Super heavy TDs are more specialized. They also require allot of support. Main battle tanks have both AI and AT roles and thus are more flexible. Imo one can make the gap between 1vs1 and 4vs4 smaller but lowering the HP of the Tiger is not the way to go since it will make Tiger even less attractive in 4vs4. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Fallshrims got completely neutered over the years17 Mar 2020, 18:02 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 17:32 PMelchino7 They did cause balance issues. IIRC first version where cheap 4 man G43 squads. Then it was changed to crit sniper model and it didn't saw use as much till Ostwind Scavenge Meta or outside a certain top player (VindiX? can't remember exactly who spammed them) OG Falls as an infiltration unit was badly designed/balanced. If you just build them up, they were overpriced, but if you use it to wipe instantly a sniper, artillery or support weapon it pay for itself and then you later had an Ober squad which you didn't need to spend muni to upgrade. None of that are affect the balance of factions. Again the claim that their choice to be made between "OKW infiltration units or balance in game" is simply fictional. Both FallJ and JLI could remain infiltration units and could be balanced. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Another Take On The Heavy Tank Meta17 Mar 2020, 17:58 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 17:07 PMelchino7 I will say it again in ELI5 cause it seems you are missing the point i just wrote. TD with lower penetration didn't made Heavy tanks viable at all in teamgames. When the Su85 didn't gain pen on vet and it had 200/180 pen max, Tigers weren't roaming around in 4v4. Simply because in large modes the CP 13 made them come too late to impact them game. Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 17:07 PMelchino7 Should vet performance on TDs have a look on? Yes. Nice to see that what I have been saying for the last four year has been acknowledged. Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 17:07 PMelchino7 Is this the reason for the changes applied to heavies to make them viable/meta on teamgames? No. Did I say it was? What I said is that instead buffing the Super heavies to make them more attractive one should nerf their counters. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Winter balance Mod (1/2020) Bug list17 Mar 2020, 14:45 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 14:30 PMJibberJabberJobber Well if it gets fixed together with vet 1 RA of Assault Engineers not applying correctly, the doctrine might see some use again. I doubt that, when the upgrade Dozer Sherman is a better choice and comes in better commanders. In: COH2 Bugs