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Thread: Sega ESG funds dissolving14 Apr 2023, 17:25 PM In: COH3 Central
Thread: When BRIT will be nerf ???9 Apr 2023, 18:25 PM Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2023, 05:44 AMYeltsinDeathBrigades This guy couldn't even reach top 100 as axis by his own words After playing axis for only 3 days. I don't play this game, don't care about arguing about it, but if you're going to use a quote from the video you should probably put it in the context that it was delivered in. In: COH3 Central
Thread: How to nerf blobing WITHOUT punishing individual squads9 Apr 2023, 17:44 PM We already have (or had) the "incremental_target_table" accuracy bonus, which purported to increase accuracy against enemies in the scatter radius of the machine gun at certain ranges. Unfortunately nobody seems to know if it works like it is supposed to, or how it works if the documentation is wrong. There's a few hints it doesn't work (from the Attribute Editor: "effective area for machine gun projectile scatter is still in projectileext " - meanwhile MGs have no projectile or anything pointing to something like one) Assuming it is implemented in CoH3 - and it actually works - it could probably be rather easily utilized to increase accuracy against clumped targets, without any weird aura or proximity checks being fired every frame. In: COH3 Central
Thread: The kindness of the world about Rommel9 Mar 2023, 20:21 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2023, 18:25 PMMajorBloodnok Hi Quentin! You make a reasonable point, but Rommel was a complex character. If you did not know, Rommel was faced with a choice in 1944, when it was discovered he had been involved in the July plot to depose Hitler. Consequently, he was presented with 3 choices, the 'best' of which was suicide. This was the course he chose, in order to protect his family. Wikipedia sets out the skeleton of his life and career. Hitler may have declared Rommel a hero, but it was Hitler who ordered his death. As the fog of war lifts slowly from the propaganda of both sides in WWII, it is necessary to keep all things in review. No nation is perfect. France had Vichy France, USA had Trump and 6 January insurrection, while UK had Johnson and Brexit...Sh1t happens Rommel was executed because he knew of the 20 July Plot and didn't say anything - not because he participated. And a word on the 20 July plot - Beck and von Stauffenberg and the rest of the major plotters had been perfectly happy to see Poland and Czechoslovakia wiped off the map, and Stauffenberg specifically supported the colonization of Poland by the Germans. Their contention with Hitler was that he was losing the war and endangered the German state - the German state that they, in the Prussian tradition, wanted to control. The lionization of these losers has been one of the most lasting copes for wehraboos everywhere and the supposed honor of the Wehrmacht. But for them, it was not about tyranny, or republicanism - or even about nazism or imperialism. They were just mad that Hitler and the NSDAP had more control over the German state than they did, and feared the loss of that state, which is why they were so eager to try to make a peace with the western allies. This was itself a futile affair since the Allies had already agreed at Casablanca to accept nothing but an unconditional surrender, so no doubt the war would have continued anyway. In: COH3 Central
Thread: When are you thinking about buying this game?22 Feb 2023, 16:49 PM I will buy CoH3 when the US faction design in some way, shape, or form reflects the reality of US forces in Africa or Italy - so probably never, unless the mod tools are really good (they won't be). In: COH3 Central
Thread: Why does Overwatch(commander) exist?3 Dec 2022, 16:43 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 15:38 PMVipper A higher fire rate can easily overcome guaranteed hits via over 100% accuracy that is why weapon are compared in DPS and not accuracy. DPS is a function of accuracy. Again, you know this, but deliberately misrepresent important details in your posts to further whatever your current argument is supposed to be. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 15:38 PMVipper Different critical does not change the fact that there 2 scoped rifler with a higher ROF. It does, and this has been explained to you multiple times by multiple people. Your refusal to listen does not change that. If you are going to complain about 'ad hominems', you should start respecting fellow posters by actually reading and engaging with what they have written. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 15:38 PMVipper Nope it is simply a critical kill shot. That activates at 32 HP. Which is 162. Again, you are deliberately engaging in toxic behavior by misrepresentation and selective ignorance. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 15:38 PMVipper As for vet bonuses Pathfinder have a clear advantage since the vet up much faster the JLI. The vet bonuses JLI recieve are still greater, and base survivability as well as more consistent damage via greater accuracy makes up for the steeper vet requirements. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 15:38 PMVipper When firing on damaged squads able to deliver more than double critical shots (even if these shot need a lower HP threshold) can be more effective. This is your opinion. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 15:38 PMVipper What I have said is that BARs on JLI clone is OP if you agree I advice to move on if you disagree feel free to argue your case. You said the problem with Pathfinders (who currently can equip two BARs) was related to their sight profile and interaction with Scotts. You then say JLI would be specifically OP with BARs. While you are free to change whatever your public stance is, I think it's pretty clear you understand the difference in combat ability between the two units, however you choose to backtrack. This does, however, make a constructive balance discussion with you very, very difficult. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 15:38 PMVipper You are the one questioning weather accuracy is capped at 100% in check not me so the burden of proof lies to you. And here what people with more knowledge of game mechanics have to say: Calculating DPS Total damage: accuracy(incremental, range, target_size, moving, cover)*damage(cover)penetration(range, armor)burst bullets(range, moving)(1+reload frequency) Burst bullets: 1 if single fire, otherwise Burst duration(range, moving)rate of fire(range) Time required: (wind up+fire aim(range)+burst duration(range, moving)+wind down+cooldown(range, moving))(1+reload frequency) - cooldown(range, moving) - fire aim(range) + ready aim(range) + reload duration(range) DPS: total damage/time required Accuracy, penetration chance are capped at 1. Burst duration for non burst weapons is 0.125 (this game generally operates on 8 ticks a second, any amount of time is rounded to the closest 0.125). You will have to adjust rate of fire, burst duration, accuracy, cooldown and reload duration all with range. The one -cooldown is because there won't be a cooldown after the last burst before a reload." Your own post illustrates accuracy in DPS calculation as a final figure assembled after calculation against all the various modifiers that weapon accuracy interacts with. For DPS calculation's sake, this must eventually cap at %100, but even in this specific case, that final accuracy statistic is arrived at after weapon accuracy's multiplication against target_size. While this is not damning evidence, given it is only a formula for generation of damage statistics, it supports what I have said (and what is the common belief, rather than your specific claim of an weapon accuracy cap within the engine, which requires evidence to support it.) If you took the time to read other people's posts and respect what they have said, you would not have run into this issue. Understand I am not trying to be mean here by repeating myself - it is just that I am tired of this issue occurring whenever I have to respond to you. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 15:38 PMVipper Of coarse I do not agree that CP 0 Pathfinder clones would be "worthless" for OKW or for any other faction for that matter. I doubt that you will find many people that would describe Pathfinder clones as "worthless" for OKW OK. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 15:38 PMVipper So your theory is because I posted something this forum suddenly Relic decided to implemented, ok this theory is simply ridiculous. This is how the balance forum works. The team looked to this forum for feedback, support, and discussion, and you happened to be a very active part of that. I am curious why you would claim not to have this influence - why else would any of us post here? Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 15:38 PMVipper If there is someone derailing this thread that is you with you add hominem "arguments" and not me. Actually you describing what you are doing. And what exactly is the point you are trying to make? That JLI are more OP than Pathfinders? To personally attack me? I wanted to better contextualize JLI, as a unit itself and within this commander, specifically with regard to Pathfinders, since there have been comparisons between these two units since the first page of this thread, and you have tried to make JLI out to be less problematic of a unit in its current state than it actually is, including by claiming (baselessly) that weapon profile accuracy cannot exceed 1. I do not intend to attack you personally. I only do what I have to in order to further the truth, which is neccesary to discuss balance in a meaningful way. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does Overwatch(commander) exist?3 Dec 2022, 14:23 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 10:40 AMVipper We are talking about "pathfinder_m1garand_scope_mp", so it very relevant. The weapon simply has a better rate of fire than the scoped G43. (Now pls stop being aggressive by barking orders.) Which is not a carbine - why call it one? A higher rate of fire doesn't overcome guaranteed hits via over 100% accuracy, nor does it change the difference in crit point. Hell, rumartinez89 already went over this with you back when you posted the different DPS stats without this context. I will politely request you acknowledge these things because you otherwise attempt to scurry around the point or ignore the content of posts entirely. It is a sad state of affairs, but also entirely your own doing after so many years. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 10:40 AMVipper Who gets a critical first is not the only that matters who wins the fight matter more. Actually, it kind of is. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 10:40 AMVipper Two weapons firing with a higher ROF able to do critical, can have a solid advantage in many cases so things are simply not as black and white as you try to present them. If a HE weapon like a Scott (or mortar) is firing on soft target, the Pathfinder get many more chances to get a critical simply because the fire more bullets. The Pathfinder critical is basically a double damage shot - excepting a situation of heavy cover (which the JLI G43 mostly ignores anyway) it's one less hit the Pathfinder rifle would have to make. And the Pathfinder M1C is less accurate in these situations and also receives less veterancy bonuses towards accuracy (20% to 40% for JLI). Given a situation where damage has been done via either AOE or non-focus-fire weapons like the BAR, having a crit point at 60 rather than 32 is going to be more significant, particularly if those AOE weapons have been leaving yellow cover all over the place. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 10:40 AMVipper As for weapon that spread damage Pathfinder have access to BARs that do spread damage and JLI simply do not. 120 munitions worth of BARs will certainly help a unit out, and should definitely beat Kar98s. The range bonus Paths (and JLI) get also makes any kind of slot item weapon rather impressive, focus fire or not, but you literally think double BARs are OP on Riflemen, so it's kind of meaningless when you talk about them on Paths. A unit which you previously said is a problem largely for its sight range, not its potential weapon loadouts - a distinction you do not make for hypothetical BARs on JLI, which you acknowledge as a superior combat unit. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 10:40 AMVipper Feel free to contact such tests yourself and provide the results because in game I have seen shot that mathematically should not be able to miss to actually do. Why not post your own evidence, then? The burden is on you, given many weapon profiles and target type bonuses are designed around utilizing more than 100% accuracy. This is not the same thing as weapon scatter. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 10:40 AMVipper I am not even sure what you want to argue here since you seem to agree that a double BAR JLI would be OP. And you agree that they would be worthless as Pathfinders for OKW. I know - there isn't really any reason to be arguing, is there? The superior performance of the JLI squad as compared to Pathfinders has never been in question - you basically admit it here - yet you go on. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 10:40 AMVipper Pls elaborate on why in your opinion I am to blame for the current state of the game. Your massive post history is enough for that. Years of regurgitated and biased attempts to 'rework' various units on this forum have had an undeniable effect on the direction of balance updates. And I specifically remember defenses of both JLI in their older, far more broken state, and - relevant to this tidbit, demands to rework USF indirect fire options. This is however not relevant to the Overwatch commander, so I won't delve into details, as it would simply allow you to derail the thread. Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2022, 10:40 AMVipper The only thing "insulting" here is that instead of talking about the overwatch commander you see more eager to use add hominem "arguments" making your forum warrior mentality quite clear. The only thing insulting is your stubborn refusal to discuss balance in a productive, unbiased way, or show other posters the respect they deserve by actually reading their posts in their entirety, or stay on topic in the threads you post in. This has been such a recurring theme over your 13,000+ post history on this forum that I must immediately preface anything I say to you with certain demands. Believe me, I wish I did not have to. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does Overwatch(commander) exist?2 Dec 2022, 22:58 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2022, 11:31 AMVipper DPS stat I provided prove that Carbine fire faster than G43. We're not talking about the paratrooper carbine, we were talking about the scoped rifles. Don't bring up irrelevancies like this again. Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2022, 11:31 AMVipper You comparison say very little for the performance of this weapons in game also. Comparing each weapon on it own mean very little since a there are many factor that you do not take into account like: Number of shot that can critical (1 weapons vs 2 with better ROF) Squad sizes Fights with more than 1 squad Weapon that spread damage like BARs and so on One weapon versus two matters little when the effective crit damage is basically halved. It just means the squad with one weapon capable of doing the crit earlier will pick off a model sooner, and will perform better as its own squad decreases in size due to damage concentration. Spread damage (or already damaged squads) or multiple squad firefights still push the advantage in JLI's favor since - again - the G43 crit point is much higher than that of the M1C, and it is more likely to hit in all situations. You understand this - don't bother arguing about it. Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2022, 11:31 AMVipper One can give as high accuracy as one want to a weapon in the editor that does not mean that during the roll check it will not be caped. Not what I meant. 200% accuracy versus a target size of 0.5 will result in a 100% hit chance. In this sense, 115% accuracy makes for guaranteed hits on targets with a lower target size than 1 (like most combat infantry in the game). This can be tested via modding with the attribute editor - it just doesn't show up in DPS calculations since these presumably use a target size of 1 - where 115% would make no difference compared to 100%. You should know this already. Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2022, 11:31 AMVipper Again this comparison means very little and it flawed since you are comparing different commander in different faction. Would JLI as USF be OP? Sure because once it had double bar equipped it would be unstoppable by any infatry in any range. Actually, no. It would be the very low target size of the Pathfinder squad using JLI stats. Though double bars on top of the much stronger G43 sniper rifle wouldn't hurt at all. Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2022, 11:31 AMVipper In any case it not the Pathfinder on their own that create so much issue but the combination of Pathfinder providing excellent vision and of Scott of massacring any soft target. It is indeed unfortunate that USF had so many indirect fire reworks to put them in this position. You share a great deal of the blame for the situation becoming as it is now, though, so I'm not sure you can talk much about it. This also has nothing to do with the comparison of JLI and Pathfinders. Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2022, 11:31 AMVipper But you are wrong about CP 0 Pathfinder as an OKW unit and you are also wrong about that impact of CP 1 on USF. Pathfinder used to be CP 1 and they where far less of an issue because one could only fit 1 (maybe 2) to their built. A change back to CP1 would make Paths harder to fit into the USF infantry build, yes. But if they were a clone of JLI, people would build them anyway, since JLI are actually good in and of themselves, as a combat unit or a utility unit. You do not have to publicly acknowledge this point, since everyone knows it's true. On the other hand, I do think it is a bit insulting that you do not accept that JLI as a CP0 Pathfinder clone for OKW would be worse. It almost looked like you would, since you were talking about how strong 120 munitions of BARs make Pathfinders. This behavior is not unexpected, however - it is unusual for you to admit such things given your incredible and unfortunate tendency to succumb to your biases when posting on this forum. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why does Overwatch(commander) exist?1 Dec 2022, 17:39 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2022, 16:32 PMMassaDerek I struggle to find a valid reason to answer the title.Guard Motor always seems to be in the discussion of being OP/broken yet never Overwatch, despite being the most used OKW doctrine by far. Overwatch is viable 1v1 to 4v4 and is beneficial throughout the match.Apparently the post UKF-launch salt of Axis players was strong enough to birth this commander into existence, at least that's my assumption considering I started playing in 2017. That assumption seems to have a lot of ground to stand on though, considering how thoroughly this doctrine counters UKF.I'd say that it's justified to just outright /l a match if you see JLI whilst playing UKF, it's probably part of the reason why my playtime with UKF has dropped so much in the past couple of months, every OKW player given the chance instalocks Overwatch when they see the UKF faction icon. JLI will make your life living hell if you play UKF(not that they aren't strong against other allied factions too).JLI also mesh well with KT+JP4 "strategies", not as strong as just having Spearhead+Panzer commander sight but it still means a lot to be able to cloak your inf in light cover and use them as free extended vision. ... Sector Assault is utterly broken, no two ways about it.A single player should NOT be able to call in 4 AT planes that oftentimes can simply overwhelm a allied defense despite AA being present due to the sheer number of planes.This is now an even bigger issue after the M5 Quad has been nerfed in it's AA ability. ... I agree that the commander is very strong. It's also kind of weird thematically. I think the loiter, despite being probably the best in the game (the Fallschirmjaeger one is also quite good) fits with that, at least - as does the LefH, but JLI and the Goliath are weird picks. I'm beyond trying to come up with ways to balance this dead game, but I do think just tuning JLI down would help in that regard. On that topic: Jump back to quoted post19 Nov 2022, 14:32 PMVipper pathfinder_m1garand_scope_mp DPS 1.8/2.2/2.5/3.3 acc 34.50%/57.50%/92% jaeger_light_recon_g43 DPS 2.2/2.5/2.7/2.8 acc 57.50%/92%/115% keep in mind accuracy is capped at 1 (not sure at what point of check) G43 has lower accuracy penalty vs cover not a bonus. It has really bad moving accuracy at 0.1. Both 'sniper' rifles do 16 dmg per shot. Infantry have 80 hp. JLI sniper crits at 75%. Another way of saying it is that it can do 60 damage. The crit can activate after 2 shots by either the G43 or any of OKW's standard rifles, be they 16 or 10 damage. Pathfinder sniper crits at 40%. The crit therefore can do 32 damage. It requires 3 hits by the Pathfinder sniper to activate, or 5 hits by 10 dmg Pathfinder carbines, or 6 hits by 8 dmg Riflemen or Rear Echelon weapons. This disparity, besides the G43's ability to mostly ignore cover, makes a standard DPS comparison meaningless, as the crit capability is not factored in. It also makes the much greater base accuracy of the JLI G43 more significant - and accuracy over 1.00 is still useful, particularly against lower received accuracy targets. This stat alone puts into question the significance of the DPS profile you give. You can also prove that accuracy does not cap at 1.0 via the attribute editor. Anyway, if Pathfinders were made effectively clones of JLI, with only one rifle (with current G43 stats), it would be an overall buff, even if gated behind a 60 munitions upgrade. The only downside would be the 1CP start limiting the flanking potential versus Ostheer. Likewise, if JLI were made a complete stat clone of Pathfinders, it would be a straight nerf for JLI. Particularly as the JLI would then lose their incredibly competitive RA and RA vet. Personally, I'd like to see these 'marksman rifles' changed to be something maybe geared specifically to killing team weapon crews via target table, or something like that. I forget if that's even possible - if there's a target type for crews, particularly those of recrewed weapons - but I like the idea of specializing like that rather than contributing to the oversaturation of effective long range infantry DPS that this game has. I also think base model sight range should be reduced (for all of these types of units), and the extra sight put into the marksman rifle upgrades. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: since we are adding prototype tanks in game3 Oct 2022, 13:44 PM I don't want anything in my Company of Heroes games that was not in the official table of equipment and organization of a combat unit at the year and region of battle depicted. Game would be so much better, and more authentic. And it would be easy to balance if the people in charge had something concrete to stick to instead of just making shit up as they go. Gott strafe braindead heavy tank users, also. Single-handedly ruin WW2 RTS games everywhere with their dumbassery. In: Lobby