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Thread: Another Take On The Heavy Tank Meta17 Mar 2020, 08:23 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2020, 00:22 AMelchino7 Performance of TDs is not directly tied to viability of heavies. We had weaker TDs with lower pen and heavies didn't dominate teamgames at all. It's tied to unit volume more than anything else. It might cause issues on 2v2 but i don't think it will bring any issues to 3v3/4v4 balance at all where i think that Ele > Tiger doctrines nowadays. It is since any units performance is tied on how easily it is countered. M36/SU-85 can counter Tiger extremely easy once vetted since they can damage (hit and penetrate) from 60 with probabilities above 95%. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Fallshrims got completely neutered over the years17 Mar 2020, 08:19 AM I am not sure why OKW had both their infiltration unit removed. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Another Take On The Heavy Tank Meta16 Mar 2020, 23:46 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2020, 23:32 PMelchino7 On teamgames. Not in 1v1. They tried to shoehorn them to be viable for a majority of the playerbase who plays mostly 4v4 when they were historically not as viable due to unit volume and super heavy TD (Tiger/IS are not super, IB4 changelog, there are contradictions in it). Yes that is what I said. They tried to make Super heavies (or what ever you want to call them) more viable in team games. But the problem was not the Super heavies themselves but the effectiveness of mass vetted TDs. So buffing the Super heavies was a step in the wrong direction, nerfing the vet performances of TDs would probably had brought better result. Especially with nerf to Ele and JT. In 1vs1 they tried to fix the "super heavy" stalling (stockpiling resources and waiting for the CP) but instead the make it worse because the "super heavy" become available around time one would actually have fuel for it. Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2020, 23:32 PMelchino7 Not that i necessarily agree with OP idea, but at least the faction is receiving multiple buffs while the others ones are getting nerfed. We will have to simply see where the balance will falls after the patch. My point is that reducing the HP Tiger to 960 will make it ever weaker vs TDs especially in team games. It might help with diversity issues but it will create balance issue. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OH officer16 Mar 2020, 21:58 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2020, 21:38 PMLoopDloop It's exactly like the UKF officer. That being said, UKF officer 30 muni to reinforce too? IMO both are fine at that cost since they're both very effective CQB squads though. OH Officer was not built once in WC2019 so doubt that he is a "very effective CQB squad" In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Another Take On The Heavy Tank Meta16 Mar 2020, 21:18 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2020, 21:17 PMLago Then this thread is about the strategic diversity problem. If you want to discuss tank destroyer balance in a broader context, I'd make a separate thread for it. You can really talk about that Super heavies without mentioning how easy to counter them. When Relic tried to solve the maxim spam problem that was diversity issue, they decided to buff Penal. They end up solving them maxim spam issue but crated to more in the process. The penal spam issue and balance issue where Soviet dominated the game. This is a similar situation. Ostheer Tiger is what keep the faction from completely sinking, neft it and the faction will collapse. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Another Take On The Heavy Tank Meta16 Mar 2020, 21:15 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2020, 19:13 PMLago If you define 'balance' as faction against faction (which you seem to be doing) then it isn't a balance issue. Every faction but UKF got one of those heavy tanks. It's a balance issue within factions. The problem isn't the game being unfair, it's it being dull due to a single strategy dominating. Balance is about Faction vs Faction yes. Diversity has to do with in faction stuff yes. The buff to Super heavy created both balance issues and diversity. Point is that Soviet had both the strongest Super heavy (and OKW Tiger up to an extent) and better tools to deal with super heavies (see mark target, ram/off map). UKF had the worse Super heavy. My point is that part off the problem is that TDs performance and one should start from there. The reason why the mod team even touched super heavies was that they where not used in 3vs3 and 4vs4 because massed TDs where OP against them. But instead of fixing the source of the problem (TDs) they try to buff the Super heavies. And now you asking to go the other way nerf which again is a step in the wrong direction. One need to fix the TDs especially since the Elephant and JT have been nerfed. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Another Take On The Heavy Tank Meta16 Mar 2020, 18:40 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2020, 18:16 PMLago The heavy tank meta is a strategic diversity problem. Not really. It is balance issue because Super heavies simply become op after they got buffed. T4/Tiger diversity is an internal Ostheer problem firstly and balance issue secondly. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Another Take On The Heavy Tank Meta16 Mar 2020, 17:55 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2020, 17:51 PMLago I think it's very simple. The Panther is a cost-effective counter to heavy tanks. It's specifically the IS-2 it can't handle, and that's because the IS-2 can take an extra hit. Bring the IS-2 and Tiger in line with the Pershing and you fix that without making them unviable units. Unless anyone wants to claim the Pershing is bad? That would make sense is the Panther vs IS-2/Pershing was inline and as cost efficient at M36 and SU-85 is vs Tiger. It is far less cost efficient and your suggestion will simply put the Tiger out of the map since it will be sniped from max range all day. If you are suggesting such weak version of the Tiger then it should become stock and Comet equivalent...even then the M36/Su85 would still need a nerfs. The ostheer T4 (Panther)/Tiger choice is separate issue of diversity and not balance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Let it be done16 Mar 2020, 17:15 PM I would rather see 221 reintroduced as an early counter to sniper and cars and 222 redesigned a tougher soft counter to light tank (maybe having AP rounds as a timed ability). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Winter balance mod 2020 V1.316 Mar 2020, 13:48 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2020, 13:34 PMOsinyagov It is SMG. Thanks to Lago and SneakEye, these symbols were founded as base for concepts: I could live with smg/AT rifle symbol also . In: COH2 Balance