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The elefant has an impressive amount of kills and on paper would be considered "the best tank destroyer". But if you actually dug around and looked at the tank design themselves, you would realize that it was only the "best" tank on paper



Yes, obviously the most powerful cannon fielded on a tank in the entire world (so far) and 200mm of armor are really fucking good. But then you don't read wikipedia (that ITSELF SAYS "CITATION NEEDED") and instead the reality, which is that the elefant/ferdinand TD was REALLY awful at mobility and reliability. This means that it knocked itself out with mechanical failures way more than being destroyed by enemy means, barely even drivable (and unable to go even up hill, according to a ferdinand crewman) and so on. If it actually managed to fire, it was devastating, but it barely managed to do so. A big gun and lots of armor don't mean that the tank is magically good.


You didnt bother actually reading my last post anyway so i dont know why i replied

You are simply wrong.
Elefant was the most successful mass produced TD in kill ratio with around 10:1 score.

the elefant/Ferdinand had been the product of a "mistake" (it was never really planned to exist in the first place), and had been made with extreme flaws that were never fixed. The vast majority of kills have been made during the battle of Kursk, taking down around between 200 and 300 tanks (vast majority being the T-34/76), and essentially all of the losses were due to mines and mechanical breakdowns (around 10-15 elefants damaged). having a massive anti tank gun and extreme frontal armor (200mm) basically ensured that it would hit first, and no hits could really harm it

but, "most successful mass produced TD" is a completely moronic term used in the context, because the elefant was not successful at all beyond in paper. it has theoretically gotten up to 320 tank kills, but this number "could" be inflated. If it wasn't, the tank had been riddled with problems that hindered it extremely (it would catch fire when driving up small slopes, endless transmission and engine problems, etc). It was NOT mass produced/limited numbers (all production numbers are converted from already existing tank hulls), it's relevance has gone down significantly after the battle of kursk (it was used to the end of the war, but it wasn't an effective TD), and the list goes on

in a vacuum (and in the game), the elefant is a very good vehicle. But in reality, it was probably more trouble than it was worth. "The most successful" axis tank destroyer, or tank in general, was more the stug, because it's war impact and effectiveness (for its cost) was significantly higher than most of these big "terror" machines

The Elephant may not be the most mass-produced tank, but the threat of the new self-propelled gun and the long-barreled 88mm cannon was taken seriously by the Soviet leadership. So the development of new tanks began that could be protected from the Pak 43/Kw.K. 43 this way the T-44 and IS-3 appeared.

The USSR also lost a promising light tank during the war because the Main Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense demanded 90-mm frontal armor from the new light tank like the T-44, which protects against Pak 43/Kw.K. 43

And all this only from the appearance of the Elephant at the front.

well to be fair, the soviets have faced the 88mm AT gun in larger quantities both before and after the elefant, so this was a completely sensible decision.

unfortunately neither of the tanks would be used before ww2 ended. Fortunately they made 3000 IS-2s, whose protection was at least partly resistant, and whose guns blew apart even jagdtigers

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If it makes you feel better, spotting scopes on wehrmacht let any enemy tank of theirs stand still for 2 seconds and see your entire frontline and units behind it too

retarded thread

OKW
Panzerfaust removed from Volksgrenadiers when given any upgrade.

Raketenwerfer manpower cost to 210. Puts it on par with the M-42 45mm Anti-Tank Gun.

New Upgrade for Raketenwerfer
Rocket Propulsion Upgrade - Advances in Rocket Technology allow the Raketenwerfer to shoot further with more explosive power (Makes Raketenwerfer 60 range, puts it on Par with the Pak 40)

Sturmpioneers gain anti-tank snare grenade when upgraded with Panzershreck (no longer has stun grenade)

does the raketen lose the penetration and damage of standard AT guns with this arrangement?

the raketen CANT be a pak-40 copy because it has a 5 man squad size and can retreat, it is a good ATG as it is anyway.


+ the M-42 costs 240 manpower, so the raketen can only realistically be put at 240 manpower.