Transfer 10fuel from Tier1 to Battlephase1
I think that should have been kept in the preview patch and not reverted.
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31 Dec 2020, 09:18 AM
#361
Posts: 195
I think that should have been kept in the preview patch and not reverted.
31 Dec 2020, 14:47 PM
#362
Posts: 1594
HQ:
- Pionier
- Grenadier (from T1 to HQ)
T1:
- HMG42 (from HQ to T1)
- Osttruppen (Commannder)
- Panzergrenadier (requires Battle Phase 1)
- Mörser
- Scharfschütze
- Unlocks Panzerfausts for Grenadiers
I Think moving Pgrens to T1 but still require Battle phase, and having T1 required for Panzerfausts. Would buff Grens and make T1 effectively mandatory for Ostheer.
The issue is that Tier 1 is still pretty much mandatory if it locks Fausts for Grens behind it, even if Grens come from tier 0. Allies (UKF and SOV mostly) have ULVs that will flatten Grenadiers without their Fausts. It's less an issue for Osttruppen, due to their lower model cost.
Im uncertain if this will solve anything.
(Plus, y'know, Grens without MGs aren't hugely strong)
31 Dec 2020, 16:47 PM
#363
Posts: 1392
why should we restructure ostheers tech because of osttrupen tho? just keep it as is and work on osttruppen instead of mixing up the whole faction
Because it's a way to fix overall situation.
3 Jan 2021, 00:02 AM
#364
Posts: 449
I think that should have been kept in the preview patch and not reverted.
Agreed. It is the simplest change that doesn't reshuffle the Panzergrenadiers in the tech tree. Although the 10 fuel might affect light vehicle rush, can't say for sure as I don't seriously play Wehrmacht.
4 Jan 2021, 10:19 AM
#365
Posts: 13476 | Subs: 1
Another thing that is worth mentioning is that changes to ATG is another blow to Osttruppen utility since recrewing ATG is will go from bad to suicidal.
That will make Osttruppen have even less utility.
That will make Osttruppen have even less utility.
4 Jan 2021, 20:08 PM
#366
Posts: 3166 | Subs: 6
V5
Ostheer changes
Ostheer changes
Brummbar
The Brummbar is receiving a slight reduction in its armor to reduce its durability against massed AT fired. Its high damage alpha against infantry will be retained to make it a desirable unit.
- Armor from 260 to 250
Grenadier Veteran Squad Leader
The G43 is being replaced with the Volksgrenadier StG 44 to lower the firepower of the VSL upgrade. The G43 gave the unit high burst damage when combined with Grenadier rifles due to each shot dealing 16 damage and significant firepower when on the moving. The weapon may be adjusted in the future to find a middle ground between both weapons. It will also add more flavour to the faction with the regular G43 upgrade in mind.
- Grenadier G43 changed to Volksgrenadier StG 44
4 Jan 2021, 20:30 PM
#367
Posts: 1217
V5Brummbär sucked and got an armor buff pre patch. Gets armor nerfed again in the update?
Ostheer changes
4 Jan 2021, 20:34 PM
#368
Posts: 17884 | Subs: 8
Brummbär sucked and got an armor buff pre patch. Gets armor nerfed again in the update?
Yes, because brummbar no longer sucks and is apex predator on level of old ISU atm.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
4 Jan 2021, 20:35 PM
#369
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
Brummbär sucked and got an armor buff pre patch. Gets armor nerfed again in the update?
I checked and it was 240 before.
In conjunction with Soviets Penals i think the units is gonna be the Terran Bunker of COH2 at this point.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
5 Jan 2021, 01:58 AM
#370
Posts: 1794
V5
Ostheer changes
Thanks for killing Ost late games, while Allies strong callin infantry are untouched?
Brumbar nerf is a joke, when it has to face 60TD.
5 Jan 2021, 02:01 AM
#371
Posts: 1794
I checked and it was 240 before.
In conjunction with Soviets Penals i think the units is gonna be the Terran Bunker of COH2 at this point.
260 - 240 - 260 - 250, which also effected vet!
range 40 - 35
But it is up against 60TD, this is kinda nonsense allies heavy armor like churchill and kv tanks get the free pass, even the BD sherman too. All these are more mobile/tankier.
5 Jan 2021, 02:08 AM
#372
Posts: 83
260 - 240 - 260 - 250, which also effected vet!
range 40 - 35
But it is up against 60TD, this is kinda nonsense allies heavy armor like churchill and kv tanks get the free pass, even the BD sherman too. All these are more mobile/tankier.
Maybe that has something to do with the fact that pretty much nobody uses KV/Churchill/Bulldozer in serious games, whereas Brummy is a standard part of OST late game compositions in all game modes.
5 Jan 2021, 02:09 AM
#373
Posts: 1794
Maybe that has something to do with the fact that pretty much nobody uses KV/Churchill/Bulldozer in serious games, whereas Brummy is a standard part of OST late game compositions in all game modes.
nobody uses KV/Churchill/BD?
Receipts please. In my 1000 ranked 2v2, they are used as often as brumbar.
I seen top replays using them in 1v1.
You sure?
So my theory is right, less used units = more buffs needed?
But no, the 3 allies units are used often.
5 Jan 2021, 02:39 AM
#374
Posts: 27
really not a fan of the brummbar nerfs to range and armour, while I completely agree with the munitions cost for bunker bust any further nerfs are unjustified as it's a critical late game unit that punishes blobbers and the only thing that brought it back from the dead was when it's armour was brought BACK after the overnerf, its still incredibly counterable with skilled play right now
5 Jan 2021, 02:42 AM
#375
Posts: 306
nobody uses KV/Churchill/BD?
Receipts please. In my 1000 ranked 2v2, they are used as often as brumbar.
I seen top replays using them in 1v1.
You sure?
So my theory is right, less used units = more buffs needed?
But no, the 3 allies units are used often.
in my top 80 2v2, alies dont use M4 105 nor churchill anymore. KV is rarely. TD is 1 thing but AT gun is anohter.
5 Jan 2021, 02:52 AM
#376
Posts: 1794
i cant speak for top 80, but these units are common in lower rank plays and as much, if not more frustrating to counter as ost and no reason why brumbar is touched but they are not.
and since they are less used in top 80 play, a similar nerf to their armor, wont affect top players!
and since they are less used in top 80 play, a similar nerf to their armor, wont affect top players!
5 Jan 2021, 03:02 AM
#377
Posts: 1794
the point i am making is while the brumbar alpha strike is deadly, you need a lot of micro, it can be easily warded off with 60TD. It is needed to counter allies late game infantry and ATG.
unlike the opposite, allies heavy AI tanks are more mobile and posed a lot more problems to ost without a 60TD and small squad sizes.
conclusion further nerfs to brumbar, even a 10 armor in V5, is totally unjustified. after you guys kill off Ostt and VSL in the same mod!
whats next? assgren sprint takes double cooldown time?
just because brumbar has more % to hold up against AT fire?
Isnt that the point of late game progression?
unlike the opposite, allies heavy AI tanks are more mobile and posed a lot more problems to ost without a 60TD and small squad sizes.
conclusion further nerfs to brumbar, even a 10 armor in V5, is totally unjustified. after you guys kill off Ostt and VSL in the same mod!
whats next? assgren sprint takes double cooldown time?
just because brumbar has more % to hold up against AT fire?
Isnt that the point of late game progression?
5 Jan 2021, 03:20 AM
#378
Posts: 940
260 armour is already penned at over 80% rate by allied TDs, not sure why the armour is being nerfed on the Brummbar? Seems a bit unnecessary and it's hardly a unit you can send on its own around late game.
5 Jan 2021, 03:25 AM
#379
Posts: 306
Alies got nerfed too. 60 range TD nerf pen vet, rocket atry got nerf reload. Cornet nerfed hard, USF Howie, M8 Scott nerfed to useless state.
is it a fair trade for brumbar nerf ?
is it a fair trade for brumbar nerf ?
5 Jan 2021, 03:34 AM
#380
Posts: 940
Alies got nerfed too. 60 range TD nerf pen vet, rocket atry got nerf reload. Cornet nerfed hard, USF Howie, M8 Scott nerfed to useless state.
is it a fair trade for brumbar nerf ?
I was talking base penetrations, allied TDs only see vet pen nerfs. Firefly actually stands a chance if a tank gets in 'under the guns' now.
Everyones' rocket arty got nerfed.
Comet may be getting nerfed too hard but it was OP for a long time.
I'm not sure what to make of the Scott changes, will leave that to others.
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