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Thread: 5 men for OST9 Feb 2020, 12:59 PM The thing is that you could literally copy and paste the same faction 5 times, slap a different name on it, exchange asthetics only and people would still complain about all other factions being OP except the one they mainly play. In: Lobby
Thread: Poltawa South Side - Neutral building advantage8 Feb 2020, 07:52 AM I think Poltawa could use some small fixes. Also the fences near the capping point are different. The high fence on the south point allows to directly throw nade deep into the capping circle, while at the northern point the capping circle is further away from the fence. But that would be things for our map builders. In general I don't like the map because it is too narrow and lane for 2v2. Casemates are way too efficient here, especially SU85 and JT/Ele/ISU In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.17 Feb 2020, 23:09 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 22:53 PMelchino7 Several OKW call in infantry were actually used quite a lot, pre OKW rework, mostly due to scaling. -Falls were niche but the epitome of glasscannon (merit on them for been able to rival Obers) -JLI was favoured by certain top players in some metas -PF were basically 7man Conscripts with SVT for OKW SP has been the only one who was always in a weird spot as it mostly cause issue by been strong as an opening unit but seeing later diminishing results. OKW rework basically threw everything out of the windows by reducing scaling and every single one of them saw rework later on. When you consider "main line power creep" is because you are missing the whole forest behind it. Cons late game were always bad (except whenever PPSH was OP) because everything else would pick up the slack. You can have "BAD" conscripts because everything else in the game will wipe. Remove everything that wipes and now you have "bad conscripts". Also free/5 muni oorah, cheaper molos, indestructible sandbag spam and flares. Grens could be "glascannons" because they were facing SU only. Bring USF and UKF into the mix and you have issues. Specially after you remove the equivalent cheese they had when facing SU initially. Saying Rifles were buffed because they got a slight DPS increase at close range while they also lost something as powerful as smoke on main line infantry (which also debuffed vehicles). As well as Officers no longer starting with BAR and Zook (for all that it matters, they remain to be another Rifle squad). ... I agree. Still some points: -I started playing competitive multiplayer late 2017. The time before that I mostly played against bots with intervals of not playing CoH2 at all in between. I remember Oorah being free at some point, but I do not have a coherent memory of the meta and general state of the game at that time because against bots you can still win if you're a total scrub and have no idea about the units and abilities. So whatever I say starts from very late 2017/early 2018 onwards. -Falls, SP and JLI are not mainline infantry. When JLI became OP and 3 squads could wipe anything off the field they were nerfed out of this role again. PF as far as I remember did not work very well, but then again I did not play them that much. -If something is considered a power creep or not is basically completely arbitrary. Most units were OP and UP at some point of the game and got nerfed and buffed. Set your reference point before the buff and you suddenly get "power creep". I don't think it makes much sense anymore to compare the game now to the CoH2 close to release. The game was quite different back then from what I remember, even against bots. I think a 1-2 year span comparison makes sense, since the general game style has not changed drastically, yet we have enough patches in between to see the game develop and potential overbuffs or -nerfs corrected with future updates. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.17 Feb 2020, 22:54 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 22:35 PMVipper Yes am taking about assault officer which currently in live is available (as an airlanding officer) at CP 3 while one has to invest 540 MP to have access to it and in the patch it is available at at CP 0.5-1 for 320. I do not own that commander and did not see it on twitch, so to be honest I don't have much of an idea what to expect. Can the officer camo? Because honestly that's what makes them so strong. Also it's one man less (according to the patch preview notes) and I'm not sure which weapon the officer has. If it's not a sten gun then it's 60% (+DPS of the officer's weapon) strength of a commando squad. But as I said I'm by far not the best person to discuss about this special topic because I do not have experience with the commander. Hard to say for me if this is problematic. A real commando squad at that time point would cause issues though. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.17 Feb 2020, 21:46 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 20:31 PMVipper The current patch just makes commando strength units available available 2 CP earlier. And this is just a typical example. More and more powerful units become available early in the game. That imo is step in the wrong direction. What do you mean by "Commando Strength units"? The airlanding officer? Sorry I'm a bit confused here, but that's the only thing I could find on a quick search. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.17 Feb 2020, 19:10 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 11:26 AMVipper Again it does not matter if their are power spikes in faction by design. If one use the grenadier as benchmark one might choose to say that other infatry should be 15% more cost efficient than grenadier since grenadier are support by 15% more cost efficient support weapons. Trying to balance this with a faction can be equally problematic since unit might be equally balanced but other factor have a major impact like tech cost and timing. My point is simply if all mainlines infantries are buffed then one is not solving the balance issue on the same power level but one is creating a power creep. At this point I actually think that we mostly agree but had phrasing differences. One note on the mainline infantry: If all (or at least most) mainlines are buffed it could also mean that they are too weak vs mainline counters. To the point though: I think I also agreed on the general sentiment of mainline power creep. However thinking more about it there's probably not too much to it. The buffed units (correct me if I'm wrong) are Riflemen, Conscripts (which were UP at the time and now get nerfed again, so that's alright) and Grens (late game buff because they were weak late game). Then Panzerfüsiliere, Assault pioneers (the latter in an quite old patch; both were basically never used before that) which were also pretty UP at the time and are now in an okayish state. On the other hand IS got quite a nerf (they were OP, now apparently slightly UP and get a small buff). Volks got a mini nerf. Penals did not get touched. Now while I do not agree with all of the choices made, I think infantry vs support weapons (early game) is in a better state than basically ever and will even improve with the slight changes for IS, Grens and Cons. Infantry vs light vehicles (early-mid) is also in a good state and infantry vs tanks (mid onwards) is also probably in it's best state for a long time if not ever. Heavy AI capabilities is the only thing that might need to be looked at but is not in a completely broken state. Apart from some minor tweaking all current mainlines are doing fairly well in terms of balance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.17 Feb 2020, 11:21 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 00:59 AMVipper Think you are still missing the point: 1) Any faction can used as the benchmark 2) If that faction is wins more game vs other you buff the other faction 3) If that faction loses more games vs other you nerf the other faction Finally the just because a faction is balanced it does not mean that some of components can not be up or op if it part of the design of the faction. And this is how ostheer were designed. Less cost efficient infatry more cost efficient support weapon. Weaker light vehicles more powerful medium tanks. Again it does not matter what you use as your benchmark as long at it stay the same. What I actually tried to explain is that using a faction as benchmark is the wrong approach. It multiplies workload, cannot account for non-comparable units and also hardly for skill gaps. I agree with your second part, ehich also feeds into my point about benchmark factions: it does not work very well. If a faction is supposed to have certain power spikes. How do you balance for that since you cannot directly compare unit stats to make them roughly equal? What do we do if MGs work well against mid and close range squads but get frontally wiped by a single long range squad while all long range squads are roughly similarly strong? Benchmarking this would find no issue at all, since similar units perform similarly. That's why I said that you need to balance according to their available counters. Of course you can balance and compare to similar units, but for this you assume that the other unit is decently balanced and that you can take this unit's performance out of faction context. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.16 Feb 2020, 18:54 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 14:31 PMVipper My point is quite simple if grenadier require another buff after years of being fine, it mean that the power level has been increased and now they are up. And IS are UP also (I would say conscripts were also UP until they received the OP SVT and & men upgrade). Actually Ostheer is the more complete faction including most units type thus the better candidate for a benchmark and thus Relic choose it, it was not me who made that choice. You actually brought that up with Croc example. In addition which faction is the benchmark is quite irrelevant. Its like saying I prefer to call my length units meter over feet. Actually the easiest way, is to revert some of the changes that make other units OP compared to Grenadier instead of buffing grenadier. It much easier to identify the right spot for other units since it is between their pre buff and current state. Buffing grenadier further is moving into uncharted waters. And grenadier are not the only UP unit so are IS and even conscripts that had to received OP abilities to leave up to new power level. I agree on the line infantry part. You have been arguing for OST as a benchmark a lot. In some parts it makes sense IF the whole concept of a benchmark makes sense, which I briefly remarked that this is often not the case. Also your benchmark faction must be balanced within itself. What do you do if you have good line infantry but the cost/performance for an AI vehicle of zhe benchmark faction is absolutely shitty? Give every faction usable line infantry and nerf the shit out of their AI vehicle? In the current state of the game, it does not make much sense to have a benchmark faction. The best thing is to cluster units that perform well for their cost and potential counters, and then balance other units according to them. In one situation we can nerf the IS2 because the Tiger is decently balanced. But this does not mean that the 251 has to be nerfed until people don't really use it anymore like the M5 (just exemplary) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Winter balance (1/2020) feedback - Ostheer6 Feb 2020, 17:31 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 15:18 PMVipper I agree but I made different proposal, the duration is increased but the ability provides "new" with target size 1 that can merge but not reinforce. This make them ideal to provide in reinforcement to the front and re crew support weapons. I remember that, but that would require a new type of squad which will likely cause multiple new bugs and issues. Also it's probably quite fiddly to use and requires even more micro. I'm not saying it is a completely bad or thematically illogical idea, but I think there are better solutions. In: Lobby
Thread: Winter balance (1/2020) feedback - Ostheer6 Feb 2020, 17:29 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 15:57 PMZeuskl I don't agree with the tech cost change. More expensive T3 delays Stug E and Puma by 15 fuel, and the T4 change will delay Tiger by 10 fuel. Skipping medium tanks for Tiger will cost 25 more fuel. Because I think the Tiger is by far the best T4 unit, the tech change will probably be an overall nerf. The Tiger part is intended to impede the current heavy-only meta. OST and SOV pay the least teching cost for their heavies compared to the other three factions, so they need some price increase on their heavies. If other units can be slightly rebalanced by that, that's a win-win. But yes, StuG E and Puma are left in the dust a little bit. In: Lobby