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when i follow this logic...what cost than the 2. IS with all upgrades after build first IS and bought all upgrades? nah? it seems your logic is only valid in one direction...right?

I assume you want me to say that the squad gets more expensive because I bought the upgrades? Otherwise I do not understand what you are trying to imply and what your point is.

I have no idea what this has to do with my argumentation - allegedly - being only valid in one direction. Please make a more coherent point and show how your argument suits better than mine. I laid out my point and there was no specific response of yours to my train of thought at all.


Also please answer me this, because I used exactly your logic and even your examples and just applied it to a different unit:

If you really want to insist on your calcs and move all the costs to Obersoldaten, then OKW would also pay only the 350 MP / 140 FU for their medium (since all teching costs already have been allocated to Obersoldaten), while UKF still has to pay for their Cromwell PLUS their whole teching costs (somewhere around 265 FU if I am not mistaken). Now explain to me why my Cromwell costs almost twice the amount of fuel while it is shittier in almost every regard? Why do I as UKF pay fuel in the range of a heavy tank for a medium?

you can calc like this..yes,,,but this isn a realistic calc for the ingame. ingame its actually pretty normal to get 4 sections. and its normal to get 1-2 obers. so lets be near to the realistic scenario. and than u dont pay all this upgrades only for one section. u pay it for mostly 3 or 4 or even more. but obers? how many of them you have at the same time? mostly only 2. so my calc is more realistic and than all other "calculations"

No, your calculation is - at best - naively misrepresenting the actual game.

The only way your calculation were correct is if you paid all these resources just to get Obersoldaten with LMGs. But you do not. These resources get you to that point, but they also get you teching to all tanks that OKW can get.

If you really want to insist on your calcs and move all the costs to Obersoldaten, then OKW would also pay only the 350 MP / 140 FU for their medium (since all teching costs already have been allocated to Obersoldaten), while UKF still has to pay for their Cromwell PLUS their whole teching costs (somewhere around 265 FU if I am not mistaken). Now explain to me why my Cromwell costs almost twice the amount of fuel while it is shittier in almost every regard? Why do I as UKF pay fuel in the range of a heavy tank for a medium?

See, this is the same argument you (and also Katitof) are using for Obersoldaten and IS. They are all strawmen arguments and completely miss the point of the whole discussion.

The only point you can make with "adding" all the tech costs to Obersoldaten is that they come way later than infantry sections. But you did not. Not a single time.

Ullu argues that fully upgraded IS cost less then obers.
They clearly do not.

As you said, side techs can be skipped, but they also affect one unit exclusively(ok, we can argue bolster on REs), so side tech inflates cost of the unit it supports.

We're not talking tech costs, we're talking specifically value of fully upgraded IS vs upgraded obers.

This does not change anything.

If you do the scewed calculation and add all costs to infantry sections alone, then you cannot neglect that you get a super cheap teching with UKF. UKF's teching is only cheap because they need to buy side techs.
This is basically the same discussion as "Axis get everything for free". No they do not, as I, Vipper, Stug and others have shown multiple times now. Axis pay with their normal teching.

If you add side techs to the cost of infantry sections, then you need to add a partial amount of the normal tech costs to most of Axis infantry as well.

The main difference between the factions is the timing of those techs, not the amount of resources they need to put into them.

@OP:
Provide any reasoning why Volks are too weak. If not this thread can instantly be moved to the trash bin.

IS are so strong they had cost decrease to match their performance.

You mean the 10 MP decrease that does nothing (at least according to you when Volks got bumped up in price) in the patch before they got buffs again?

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I don't want to turn this into another Jackson thread, so I'll keep it short: yes, I agree with you that the Jackson is disproportiinately good considerung its price and other TDs. But USFs other AT options are also probably the worst in the game, that's why the Jackson has to overperform.
Regarding the HP: the unit was a 3 shotter quite some time ago, I think it was buffed because this was unsustainable for USF and the game flow.
Changing its HP would cause a huge avalanche of USF AT rebalance, which I do not think is worth it since we have a decent chance of ending up with a broken faction (compared to an overperforming AT unit in an otherwise AT underperforming faction)