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Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback26 Dec 2020, 16:48 PM If lend lease was the reason for wasting time and effort on a medic squad they could have simply given the halftrack, the one in lend lease, the ability to drop crates or AOE heal or heal inside or lock down like an ambulance or given ass tommies self heal with vet or given ass tommies medkits with vet or without vet. There are like 10 systems in the game already that don't need constant fine tuning... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback26 Dec 2020, 16:42 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2020, 07:06 AMVipper Your argument actually work the other way around. If one does not build a single conscript one can save the AT grenade/molotovs. If one does not building a single grenadier will still have payed the cost for faust/riflegrenade/lmg that is included in Ostheer tech cost. The only way to actually be accurate in comparing the tech cost across the different systems is to calculate the total cost used across the whole game and assigning to the units used during the game. But all of that is not very relevant. The simply fact remain that Ostheer do not actually have an early advantage because of tech. 4 conscripts builds work just fine but 4 grenadier builds do not work. The argument that grenadier are cheapest mainline infatry (they are not) and ostheer have an advantage because of that is simply mute. Its strange to me that osts stuff included with tech somehow inflates their tech costs and you are "paying extra, just don't have a choice not to" when every single other instance of stuff being added to to be included with tech didn't increase tech costs. 7 man in t4 costs the exact same as pre 7 man. When volks got stgs, flame nades and snares their tech costs were not adjusted to accommodate this "totally paid for and not free" additional content.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback25 Dec 2020, 23:36 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 21:20 PMPip Sure, but it took quite a bit of testing to determine that was necessary, and wasn't done at the outset of the patch. I don't think Spio crates are in quite the same ballpark, but it remains to be seen. Didn't really take testing though. Everyone and their dog knows that infinite aoe healing for the one time cost of a grenade available on all your core infantry without the need for vet or to even stop moving is stupidly effecient. I'm still not even sure why the brits got not 1 but 2 separate new medical options with that existing especially considering the healing options of literally every other faction comes nowhere near the effeciency of that one alone... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback25 Dec 2020, 23:29 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 21:18 PMPip Cons merging with whatever squad is generally fine. It's pretty much only early game CEs being merged into that's a little overly strong. Soviet infantry as a whole though generally lacks less bite and the cost disparity of reinforcement is a lot smaller. Idr the reinforcement costs of ostroppen as I belive it was tweaked but if cons were to merge into grens for example you would save 10mp per head. Essentially a 3 man Gren squad could reinforce for the cost of 2 models and that would dramatically upset the manpower economy of Ostheer. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Command Panzer 425 Dec 2020, 23:26 PM I agree about auras. Much more interesting and better skill ceiling with active abilities. A key imo too is that the unit itself must be relevant regardless of the abilities. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] General Discussion25 Dec 2020, 16:54 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 12:50 PMmrgame2 yes the timing is too long for a game that has sped up considerable over many patches. I don't follow. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback25 Dec 2020, 16:49 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 09:22 AMVipper You are repeating your "side tech" argument again again like a broken record in every thread although it has been pointed out even by moderators of this forum that it is mute. Grenadier cost 240 manpower which is exactly the same price as conscripts and that is a simple fact. It inflates the cost and that is undeniable. Purchase price of cons and grens are the same but the fact that if you say, go ostroppen in the preview your tech costs are the exact same as if you go grens but if you were to (for some reason) spam CE and never build a single con you would save resources on tech means cons are more expensive. CON tech is a cost that only affects cons. They are linked. If you build no cons you do not want to get these techs. If you build cons you probably will. The costs are linked. If you build only 1 con, the techs may not be worth while as they inflate the cost of cons. If you don't build a con squad until you have heavy Armour on the field they will not be fully equipped and require additional investment to get fully kitted If you never build a single gren you will still tech up. If you build only grens you will still tech up. If you build 1 gren teching up is still cost effecient for kitting out grens. If you don't build a gren until you have a tiger out you have spent only 240mp and have everything you need (obviously discounting weapon upgrades) for them to function. You have no additional costs. 240mp covers everything. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback25 Dec 2020, 05:21 AM Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 05:14 AMelchino7 This is the case when you need someone like CptSprice to see if this is viable or not. I can see the parallels to RET spam days, but the circumstances are completely different. No M10 Call ins with vehicle crew dismounting. AEC does not have Stuart levels of DPS. Bars were more effective in an assault. The 5th man requires resources vs vet There's some key differences in the other way as well though. Like a t0 mg, guaranteed access to an AT gun (and the mg), buildable forward reinforcement that can call in arty and is also a weapon rack and sappers can snare. I could absolutely be completely wrong, I was about shrek fussies but I can absolutely see this being a major problem potentially... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] UKF Feedback25 Dec 2020, 05:15 AM Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 01:27 AMtheekvn like i said. How do you hold point is bigger problem. AEC + UC get nerf timming too. Your sapper cant hold the point against Ostruppen until 2 Brens gun ( which is late and stupid). that why I ask you how many Sapper you need to fill the field to make theory crafting come true. Oh right. Shit I totally forgot that they removed the Brit mg when then moved sappers to t0. Good catch!.. Also, if you sre trying to hold ground with CQB infantry I don't even know..... You take. You be everywhere and do your best to trade well. You know, how people play with the multitude of starter CQB infantry? While better at combat they lack scaling and are more expensive but you don't "hold ground" with them. You take ground. Aggression. If you think you are going to be holding ground with sappers it definitely explains why you don't see that this could potentially be an issue.... Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 01:42 AMsuora I'm sorry but do you even play Brits? The idea that giving sappers +25% capture speed and a small buff to a late game upgrade could risk turning them into all-around terminators is among the silliest shit I've seen on this forum. Maybe try reading the forum a little harder eh? The thing im talking about is sappers going from T1 after your 4th unitish to built in the HQ from the word go and the potential fallout of it. The Brit "issue" is slow starts and lack of aggression, both of which may be over remedied by making a unit that is designed for later in the game come at the very start without a Stat nerf or price increase. They are better than pios and scale Better than pios for only 10mp more than pios and well played pios are a threat in the early game. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] USF Feedback25 Dec 2020, 01:24 AM Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2020, 01:18 AMtheekvn my answer to Vipper nerf. Good luck with RE repair speed. Crittial Repair give USF paper armor evading quickly against Superrior Axis tank, Take it out for what ? Who invest more micro shall have more advantages than another. Unless you Give Rear Echelon real impact espect, you shouldn't change tank crews. Just let them alone. You do understand that, even if crit repair was removed, the crews would still exist AND repair at the exact speed that is more than sufficient right now in live right? The only change would be engine damage and broken guns would still hurt usf like it does other factions. If you had no RE ever you would STILL be better off than other factions as your crews are right there..... In: COH2 Balance