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Aren't volksgrendiers literally translate to Civilian Soldiers and if I remember history right, Volks should be on par of Conscripts since thats what they were historically.

I mean, thats just me looking at it from a historical point, but yeah, I think Conscripts should be reduced in manpower cost and upkeep rate.

You are thinking of volksstum. Volksgrendiers were solders.

To be honest I don't honestly see any reason for cons to even HAVE a side tech given their performance... You could tack 20 extra fuel onto t3 for timing and I don't think it would make cons OP to have their kit outright. Would make up for their I'll performance for cost and they could be left at 240mp. T0 techs could include a munitions acquisition that cheapens abilities by 5mu across the board or something for combat engies (I think that armour for them would be wicked, making them durable if nothing else)

yes you can if it has an ability that gives it damage reduction like hit the ground or/and when you use another infantry to attack like suggested penal or/and it fi support it with maxim/moratrs.

Have a nice day.

I think what he means is they are just bodies if they don't have any teeth. Which they don't. They can't defend if they are not a threat to the infantry that are attacking and I agree with that.

If you think it's off-topic, why did you start it?



Higher rate of fire though, and facing enemy armies with typically lower armour.

But if it's not doing its job (being OKW's Tank Destroyer) then it probably needs to be looked at. If the medium-clubbing Panther is better at fighting heavies then the JP4 is somewhat redundant.

Idk I really like the JP4. I think allied TDs can lose some pen of course which would make the JP4 a better counter to enemy TDs but all in all its a solid TD as it's the only axis stick unit that can actually return fire to all enemy armour (less the isu) add in HEAT and its a really fun unit.

Hi all, going to get right after it:
As the title says, cons need to be cheaper and here is why I think so...

To start, they are shit tier infantry with no stock weapon upgrade. They get very very durable at vet 3 (too durable) but until then they are fodder. A unit should require full vet to begin to function. Additionally, other units ALSO get more durable but also get the ability to increase damage output, which sort of offsets enemy durability buffs--cons get no weapons so while they become durable, they don't pack more punch meaning their own durability is lessened but enemies are not.

Secondly, manpower costs in general for the Soviet lineup, namely teching. Cons cost the same as grens and slightly less than volks but are shit on by them hard. To get grens an Ost player needs to shell out 80mp and 10 fuel, this also unlocks fausts, snipers and mortars. The same cost will grant cons only molitovs. To get supporting units the Soviet must shell out double that manpower. What this means is that if the Soviet builds a tech they are a neat loss for manpower compared to their opponent. Okw can be pumping out combat ready units with no delay, and Soviet can't even match them with chaff AND tech up.

Some say "but oorah" or "but utility" and ignore the fact that orrah, while a great ability, is a further extra cost into trying to make conscripts work, something nobody else has to worry about. In addition it received a price increase recently making it less accessible. As for utility... Sand bags are great, and something every other faction can also do (ecxmmxcept usf) hardly worth making the unit garbage over,and it certainly doesn't hold volks back.

An obvious concern about cheaper conscripts would be the PPSH ability but I don't think that the risk of a doctrinal ability should warrant a stock unit being kept sub par, so my solution for that would simply be to create a new call in (or built in t0), assault conscripts squad that would have different vet and a different cost to standard conscripts.

Basicly at the end of the day, cons require massive investment to reach their cap, which is already lower than their counterparts. One shouldn't have to invest more for less. This is compounded by other elements of Soviet tech (160mp off the cuff to unlock something to replace conscripts) and their side techs don't go far into making an already garbage unit slightly less garbage.

I would suggest a 220mp price point to better reflect their performance and required extra-tech investments as well as their reliance on munitions to function.
A point could be made for 210mp even, given how much better conscripts ostroppen are than conscripts (with a tech included snare and a weapon upgrade no less) but 220mp would be a reasonable start.