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Thread: Stug30 Nov 2018, 23:27 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2018, 19:25 PMVipper Panther vet 0 Armor: 260/90 Health: 960 Penetration near 260 Penetration mid 240 Penetration far 220 Panther vet 3 Armor: 286/99 Health: 960 Penetration near 260 Penetration mid 240 Penetration far 220 Pershing vet 0-3 Armor: 300/110 Health: 800 Penetration near 260 Penetration mid 240 Penetration far 220 AP round Penetration near 400 Penetration mid 350 Penetration far 300 RIGHT they dropped the armour alot on the panther. Thanks again vipp don't know what I'd do without you In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why is OKW arty officer even a thing?30 Nov 2018, 18:28 PM If the sturm officer was a mix of basicly other officers I think it would be wicked. Off map smoke, the current mark target, some fucking vet... Shared EXP, maybe an activated aura that's a bit better and have the retreat mechanic while that's active only? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: About Katyusha's vet130 Nov 2018, 18:25 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2018, 18:02 PMCrecer13 We must look wider. Most Soviet 1st level veteran are useless. Capturing points for tanks is a useless ability. This ability must be for a fast tank without veterancy (T-70, T-34-76 / 85) and have a new unique 1st level veterancy ability. For a heavy tank, another new unique 1st level of veterancy is needed or even two. Katyusha 1st level veteran? Absolutely useless and never use. Some of the old vet abilities are useless but not all of them. Cap territory is plenty fine on anything that isn't a heavy tank, but there's no reason in hell it should be on an IS-2 or KV-2 and the new inspire ability isn't suited to the kv-2 like it is the kv-8 (should be on the kv-1 too if you ask me to firther diversify it from the t34s) Katy's is useless, ml-20 gets +1 shell which is alright I guess (better than the never used creeping barrage) but kinda underwhelming. B4 is hot garbage.... Some are good others suck. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stug30 Nov 2018, 18:21 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2018, 16:40 PMFelixTHM Actually a Panther can't reliably beat a Pershing 1v1. Pershing has better armour and better fire rate. Before the Panther got a health and fire rate buff, it was an easy win for Pershing. Now it's about 50/50. How does the pen stack up? Because the panther is only 10armour lower than the Pershing, I don't recall the pen on the panther and don't think I ever saw the pen for the Pershing. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stug30 Nov 2018, 16:21 PM I don't see a reason a hulled down stug couldn't put in with the allied TDs as you are basically making an emplacement out of it. If hull down had a small decanting time it would make it vulnerable to flanks. Despite their best efforts it seems simply nerfing hull down and making it quicker to cast only made it less attractive-havnt seen it once since In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Let's speak about OST AT mine30 Nov 2018, 16:17 PM @vipper thanks again! In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Let's speak about OST AT mine30 Nov 2018, 13:31 PM Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2018, 13:16 PMVipper Clarifying: Armor values for m20 11/5.5, armor skirt 16.5/8.25 Armor values for 222 that comes later 9/4.5 The M20 has more armor than the 222 even without skirt although 222 is higher tier vehicle. The reason currently m20 is not attractive is it high MP cost and its small window of opportunity. (the units was overprice due to its timing) Certain individuals tend to derail threads by making claims that are simply false and spreading misinformation. Hmm I don't see any reason for the 222 to take small arms fire, it with how easy it is for allies to get AT. I'd say buff it for all the differance it'll make (seriously... What difference WOULD it make? Except to the arguably underpenning high cal MGs I don't see any functional change in balance) Why does the m20 feel so squishy without skirts then I wonder? Also thanks as always for the stats Vipp. Would you happen to have health values on those on hand too just to complete the picture? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: About Katyusha's vet130 Nov 2018, 13:23 PM I don't actually remember the Katy with Supression, must have been a bit before windustry (hard drive exploded) but regardless I think it would fit now The game has changed so much that even the 221 would find itself a role now Anti blob measures need to be buffed IMHO. They do keep getting nerfed which I don't understand. Things like the demo could have easily had their models capped like mines to remove the squad wipe capabilities but keep it a massive manpower bleeder. Mgs should be more resilient in frontal assaults (better bonus from cover?) even small and risky things like the OST vet 1 sniper round are used to punish blobs and now it's a joke. I swear they actually WANT blobs but for the life of me I can't figure out why... As rocket arty goes I think Supression on them all is actually a reasonable direction and the Salvo style of allied rockets could use a wider AOE and less damage to make sure that the area they hit isn't an RNG fest whereits wipe or no damage at all I really think the pwerfer is the most consistent rocket arty and the stuka could probably benifit from an AOE realignment as well: everything in the targeted strip should take some damage imo but the hard wipes are pretty frustrating. Blob counters don't need to be wipes either, just punishing for blobs. Lots of damage would work really well if there wasn't AOE heals that effectively promote blobbing and reduce the effect of large AOE less damage hits. Idk. But for now I think Supression as a vet 1 ability that costs munitions and deals less damage would be a damn fine way to make up for the ineffective Maxim in the late game and more suited to blob control. Every faction should have a wide AOE option in the late game to dissuade and punish this kind of behavior. It might not be a problem in the highest levels of play, but for the remaining 99% of players it's a plauge and has honestly cost the player base. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Let's speak about OST AT mine30 Nov 2018, 12:33 PM Isn't the 222 immunr to small arms now? Thought it was... Also how the fuck did we get here talking about infantry killing lights? It has nothing to do with OHK mines or even really the previous tangent of how much fuel adds to manpower value. But for the sake of it doesn't the m20 come later than other lights? Like that's part of the reason it's not terribly attractive? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Let's speak about OST AT mine30 Nov 2018, 11:17 AM Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2018, 10:08 AMferwiner Still not sure about the conversion, as it gives ludicrous value to some expendable vehicles. But I'm not going to argue on it any more. Lets just settle on the fact that everything that can be killed with unscouted teller can also be killed by unscouted demo. Tbh I actually think the conversion works. Losing a T34 certainly hurts like losing a couple squads of guards and sets you back just as bad if it happens early. Clown car 170+((4)15)=230 that honestly sounds about right doesn't it? Worth a bit more than a Kuble... More I read into it the more I think it stands. Really highlights how over priced some units like the m20 is as well when you slap an extra 80mp on it for example In: COH2 Balance