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Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - USF Feedback27 Apr 2021, 20:24 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2021, 19:14 PMjagd wölfe Doctrines are theoretically meant to offer alternatives that complement faction design. The KV-1 is one of the most durable tanks in game, heavies excluded. The Soviets are meant to use cheap tanks to cover tank destroyers, but some doctrines offer different options. Ostheer is meant to use high quality infantry with 4 entities but can also use Osttruppen, a cons sidegrade. Giving the Easy 8 "Jumbo" stats would be fine imho as long as it's correctly priced Doctrines offer alternatives but no real breaking of the rules so to speak. Ostroppen are indeed 6 man squads for ost, but their combat potential is very low. They offer a manpower effecient ALTERNATIVE but doesn't alter the way the faction is played in the end. You will still be leaning on team weapons and conserving your armour. The kv-1 isn't out of line of soviet design either, as they were designed to have durable doctrinal options since the inception. There are no counter measures to balance HAVING to have squishy armour, it's just whst their stock kit has. T34s being the way they are leave room for doctrinal alternative of superior quality as was intended. By design. USF was designed SPECIFICALLY to accommodate for inlu having squishy armour. Its a core of their design offset by mobility and the ability to self heal. If you want to see what changes with no regard for faction design looks like take a gander at the brits. A fucking mess is what you end up with. You can't simply have work around for factional weaknesses without addressing how faction strengths play in. This is why I will never support conscripts getting a machinegun upgrade. They are meant to outlast, not outfight Just like the USF armour is supposed to out maneuver not outlasta kv-1 that can heal itself is a horrible horrible idea... Slap the best TD in the game behind it and you might as well delete all the other commanders... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback27 Apr 2021, 20:05 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2021, 19:11 PMKlement Pikhtura Yes, this please, although only on infantry. Base dives should be still viable, because rocket arty is 160 hp, and once you add this buff they become 2 hit kill on base sector. Could also just lower the health of rocket arty to something like 120. Then infantry AT on a flank can take out rockets, as can Puma or a heroic flank with an su76. Then with even a 25% damage reduction rockets would still die to a proper tank. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - Soviet Feedback27 Apr 2021, 18:56 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2021, 14:42 PMHannibal Regarding the B4: Why not give it less AoE, but strong suppression? It would "explain" the huge explosion and give visually satisfying feedback without forcing huge AoE damage to achieve this effect (a big explosion with little AoE will break immersion. Suppression effects might this discrepancy). It would also ensure that it will be used as a support weapon, since the suppression will quickly wear off if combat is not started immediately. Suddenly it has something that sets it apart from the howitzer and can still win a fight decisively. . I'd like to see it with the stun effect on infantry. Mostly because it would make it stand out.... As for damage in the base sector I've said before-the base should provide a damage reduction. Anyone fighting out of the base is already on the back foot and it would prevent ANY base bombing to be lessened. They applied it to the ambulance so clearly there is some good in the idea... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - USF Feedback27 Apr 2021, 18:53 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2021, 14:25 PMTiger Baron What you're talking about is a Sherman Jumbo which will never be added to the game sadly because reasons. Been talking about the same thing for years now and yet still here we are but at least I'm glad that other people have the same idea as me. Those reasons being faction design. There's a reason the Pershing is the way it is, what with a limit and no ability to decrew. The faction was designed with strength and weakness. The weakness being not having a Panther type vehicle. The strengths being high mobility, firepower, the ability to self heal armour and an ungodly supply of smoke for maneuvering. USF are not supposed to outlast the enemy armour they are supposed to out maneuvering them. Okw is meant to outlast and they notably have the hardest time keeping their armour in repair (due to expensive engineers), not the easiest like USF (whom every tank IS an engineer) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - USF Feedback26 Apr 2021, 19:39 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2021, 14:19 PMZeroZeroNi What about E8 with 960 hp instead of 720??? Crew would have to go. USF was designed explicitly with the intention of not having staying power in their armour but instead mobility and rapid repairs to keep up momentum. A 960hp 215 armored tank that can self repair and fix crits with jacksons behind it and rifles in front of it? Its already takes and extra hit and can bounce pak shells-the only other usf vehicles with that boast are the Sherman dozer and the Pershing-all while being faster than a Panther.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Petition to Nerf/Remove Soviet Mortar Flare26 Apr 2021, 19:27 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2021, 17:40 PMMr Carmine The flare costs muni and manual input, its in the air a few seconds, the soviet mortar that shot the flare doesnt have enough time to win vs ost mortar. It gets about 2 rounds off in auto fire i believe before the flare goes out. I for one havent seen it winning a dual with the ost mortar. Have you tried combining the flare with the superior barrage? I'm aware it requires more resources, and as a result the rewards are greater. Multipurpose always covers a broader area, but single purpose does that thing better. If you speed up the rof on the soviet mortar it has everything going for it and the ost mortar nothing, not having utility or flexibly to fall back on. Intel is very strong, that's why I think the flare could afford to be behind vet. The days of the soviet mortar being trash are gone. It's rather in line with the ost one given all factors so I don't think the added bonus of always having the flare is necessary In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Petition to Nerf/Remove Soviet Mortar Flare26 Apr 2021, 14:15 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2021, 13:44 PMZeroZeroNi Still it is a lot weaker in contrast to GW 34, saying ost is supposed to have better support weapon does not exempt you from giving a proper answer. It was a proper answer. Osts team weapon effeciency is supposed to be above soviets. Soviet team weapons are more durable and more versatile but lesser in raw output. That output DOES have to be somewhat meaningful... 25% better isn't unreasonable (especially since it USED to be 100% in the case of the mortar) You gotta leave Osts something. Otherwise what? Soviet face off in a mortar duel and simply win outright because they can spot with the flare, match DPS and outlast because of the crew? That's hardly reasonable... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback26 Apr 2021, 11:05 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2021, 07:14 AMKatitof It is fine now. As you've said you have PF alternative if you need flares. CP however should lose its mark target ability, it is a way too strong ability on AT unit. swap it with the better designed USF one that helps RNG instead of just raising the stakes. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Petition to Nerf/Remove Soviet Mortar Flare26 Apr 2021, 11:04 AM One could simply nerf the cost of the flare at vet 0 and buff it back at vet 1. Wouldn't remove the ability but would make it cost prohibitive In: COH2 Balance
Thread: + 25 damage in lateral + 50 % damage in the back of tank26 Apr 2021, 11:02 AM The is no side armour so lateral damage wouldn't be possible. I do think extra damage on rear armour if possible would be a good thing for CoH3 though In: COH2 Balance