Gachi and you have the weirdest argument. Compared to Grens they cost 40MP more and vs VGrens it is 15MP more. Where is the 80% coming from?
JLI are 1CP, so them being competing DPS wise while having significantly better RA vs VG is a win. They have stock cloak and first strike gives them a 25% DPS boost. They have vision to make use of their better DPS profile, so when you move in with whatever unit you want they can take shots at you and then sprint to reposition or just straight up retreat and not incur any bleed.
It was an answer to the argument that k98s "exceptionally good close range damage" so I came up with a hypothetical simple cqc engagement with a squad of cons (a.k.a gang of bums).
I still think that the JLIs are not the problem but the doctrine is. Overwatch has too much of good stuff.
For example "Scavenge" is not near the top yet it has JLIs. If JLIs were so great, that doctrine would have been meta as well.
Yes, it is one of the best units in the game but I would not call it OP, not in a million years. |
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Stock grens do not have a great dps profile at any range. Yes, they are competitive early game vs other plain stock mainlines but that's about it.
Also, you get 0.8 RA for a considerably higher cost. So a squad that is able to deal with cons at any range while being like 80% more expensive is nothing to write home about and it is up for debate if close-range engagement with a gang of bums is going to be cost-effective. You what, start the fight get your recon squad to 2 or 1 wounded models in the end to achieve what? |
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Emplacement are lame, so is the Overwatch doctrine😁😁
To be completely serious, the doctrine is too much. Probably if not for loiters, it would have been fine
Elite armor is still better though, even if you never touch the stinkiest tiger in the game. |
Our fact checkers have deemed this statement "Mostly False". While Shocks do recieve the worst target size with vet, it's important to note that they recieve this target size in addition to the armor they start with, which makes most small arms fire bounce off of them 1/3rd if the time if it does end up landing.
Close quarters units tend to bleed when they are caught at mid to long range, but there is no reason to expect that shocks do it more than other units.
The observation of shox being tricky to use is correct, especially in the mid and late game.
Why? Because pintles and LMGs have higher pen then 1. Having a higher penetration value then 1 renders their body armor less effective.
In terms of the topic, this info is useless, but in terms of a bigger picture, this is quite a big factor, imo. |
A couple thoughts based off what you said, please correct me where I am wrong. (Mainly about SMG units)
Serelia data is fairly pointless even if it was 100% correct in a balance discussion as it uses a target size of 1 despite RA being the 2nd most important value. Hopefully, for COH3 we get a version that lets us test vs different target sizes.
Honestly, I don't see any problem with that. 0.8 RA means that the shots that passed the accuracy roll have a 20% chance to miss. Just multiply the DPS by RA and you get your DPS. However, a resource that compares different units with different setups would be great. |
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Imo AssGuards are underrated. AssNades and OK damage distribution make this unit really good. They do need some finesse in operating compared to shox, but the wipe potential is very high. Kind of why I loved using them in 1v1. The guy sleeps for 3 seconds and his squad is gone. Managed to flank an HMG? Reappropriation of the HMG is incoming. The guy has his troops behind the cover that you want to take? How about eating a swarm of nades and GTFO from that cover xD
Also, the Thompson is an assault rifle/SMG hybrid. High damage up close and decent damage mid-range. |
Whats wrong with not wanting politics in video games? I dont even care what the politics are, i just want games to be an escape from reality, not a reflection of it
And i think that's a pretty common opinion
I'm not arguing with the topic itself, in fact, I actually agree with it. The story comes first and if the diversity fits the plot then I don't mind it at all (e.g. Cyberpunk).
All I'm saying is a lot of comments here are extremely dumb. One guy even understood who I was talking about. |
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I'm absolutely regretting reading comments in this thread. Worst decision after drinking 6 beers last week. |
duality of man
but fair enough
Well if you disagree you could name any AT unit that is more useless then this.
Extremely limited timing, low kill potential and zis gun still exist are several reasons why it is not good.
Even in 1s this unit is probably viable in the hands of few extremely skilled players.
This unit does not worth neither spent MP nor invested micro, and micro, imo, is very under appeciated resource that people tend to believe is unlimited, since it is not shown on the screen.p |
Yeah. If the M-42 has any chance of reaching vet 3, it's in 1v1s or 2s. So this hypothetical alteration to vet doesn't even help it where it would actually need it.
it is a pure 1v1 unit with a lot of tradeoffs + the Zis is still amazing. There is almost no reason to build this in 2s even if you start with t1. Just build T2 to get one of the best AT units in the game. |
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