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2 words. Trip wires

Bingo. Handy little mine that I have fsr more appreciation for now that it's not on every squad.
Decrewed weapons, points, garrisons. Always nice to knock off a model.

Kv-1 is a fantastic tank idk what you are on about.... It's basicly a Tiger with a t34/76 gun. It's job is to eat shells and it does that amazingly for cost

So let’s examine your “sections UP” complaints.
1. Assgrens can waste 30muni on a barrage that has a huge wind up and is happening while you’re microing the only engagement on the field.
2. Spios do engineer things
3. Pios do engineer things
4. You lose a Tommy vs Sturms engagement at the start so instead of going in a garrison and wrecking them or soft retreating to your 2nd section, you come to the forums to ask for a sections buff.

1.Because of the wind up you can fake out using the barrage to clear cover/garrisons or punish the enemy if they stay. Don't pretend it's not useful.
2/3. Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. That's utility. And it's to be considered when finding a cost/performance sweet spot. Units that can do nothing but fight are supposed to do so more effeciently than those that can fight and do other things as well.
4. What about maps without garrisons? Do you just hold up there all game and wait for the Tommies to turn up? Waiting to outnumber them isn't an argument either as the initiative is on the sturms. They comin for you like it or not.
Im "complaining" because Tommies are not doing their job and are ineffecient until they are 5models. Tommies cost 10% less than sturms but have none of the utility, are not good on the move and will lose outright even in ideal conditions. That is not balanced. I complained when Tommies were dumpstering grens no contest too because I actually do care about balance.
I'm suggesting sections get buffed because they are UP. that's what you do. You shouldn't need 540mp in combat only squads to fend off 300mp of do everything infantry.
Sturms should beat Tommies if they get an angle on them, catch them out of position or manage to get part way without taking heat but NOT charging across open ground head on into a dug in squad.

And besides combat potential and utility, there is also scalability, of which Sturmpioneers have nearly none still (though slightly better since the vet rework), while Infantry Sections have good scaling with Bolster and weapon upgrades. One does not suddenly cancel out the other. The early game engagements are pretty much the only combat potential that Sturmpioneers have, and it's meant to be good.



That's simply part of the early game meta. Ostheer's Pioneers will also lose most first engagements, and so will RETs or Combat Engineers. Volksgrenadiers or Grenadiers almost always lose to the more expensive Penals and Riflemen even with good/better positioning. I have no idea why you think only Infantry Sections should be special in this regard.

Again, the point of doing everything right in the (first) engagement is not to win necessarily, but to get a good trade out of it, which can be winning, but can also simply be dealing enough damage (to a more expensive squad) before retreating. And a 270mp IS being used ideally, putting a much more expensive 300mp unit effectively out of action even if ultimately losing the engagement, is a good trade.

Bolster isn't good scaling, it's a mandatory upgrade because Tommies are ineffective without it. Please keep up. That's what this whole thread is about
As for Sturm scaling you have a very good defense and flanking unit with wicked fast repairs. They have their heap of utility to fall back on when their combat capability is reduced (but not removed. They will ALWAYS draw fire if on the front because they are a threat)

And again, please read. It ISN'T putting the sturms out of action. My tests were to the death so they are dealing as much damage as the squad possibly could and most of the time only dropped 2 models. If you retreat at half health assuming all things linear you would only be dropping a model, which is more than enough to keep them on the front capping or getting beside an mg or something.
As for scaling sturms have many non combat abilities that ensure they are always useful, not simply as front line assault infantry. Scaling shouldn't simply be "buy this or don't be viable at all" and scaling isn't simply how well they fight there is more to this game than cosf=combat power=scaling. You are leaving out the various aspects that make the game great. Things like cover and vision are supposed to matter, doubly so when a unit designed to operate in cover and little else. Ostroppen are designed to operate in cover and generate great value doing so able to effeciently fight more expensive units. Tommies do not.


Tommies should be able to stand on their own as 4 man Tommies or the bolster should be included with tech if it is going to be entirely required. Tommies are supposed to be premiere defenders as they are much weaker than most on the attack.
Perhaps a dps boosting ability that Tommies have when in cover sort of like volley fire without the Supression would be a route to make them able to defend properly, like they are supposed to.

Or maybe Tommies need their cover bonus improved until they are bolstered so that they can perform the tast they are designed to do.

Since you’re obviously talking about the super early game, what about T0 vehicle and T0 MG? Also what T0 utility do axis squads have? Assgrens have sprint and Spios have stun nade at Vet 1. What else?

Now do the test with MG&Section vs Spios and Volks. Then do the same tests for MG42&Gren vs Rifle and rifle. Then come back and tell us the results and way the matchups work are the same.

What utility?

As grens also have a nade barrage. Not very flashy, but is in line with ACTUAL assault units (shocks have armour and smoke and a nade, rangers have an extra weapon slot and a grenade, preupgrade pgrens have a hand nuke. And they all come a bit later as well)

Sturms can lay wire, heal squads (with aoe heals)lay mines, can sweep and put it away to retain their DPS,repair, salvage wrecks and deny the enemy team weapons

Pios have increased LOS, can build multiuser Bunkers, lay area denying minefields or heavy mines that OHK light vehicles. They can also build sandbags and lay wire and repair shit. Can heal themselves or other squads (1 off, but at least it's cheap)

Sturm vs Tommies is a very real scenario as both are starting units. Most of the first clashes between the 2 factions are these 2 units. Losing the first engagement, even when taking all the precautions and proper steps and ceding ground results in lost resources and outs your next engagement at a disadvantage. Perhaps you should do a test where it starts as a match would, with a Sturm vs Tommy, and then follow up with a volks/tommy/mg/UC/Kuble or whatever the 2nd unit for each is without resetting the engagement, as per anither realistic scenario.

quote form armadillo form the previous thread: "I'm not saying that it is bad, just that I can see why the guys shooting 5 bullets in 20 seconds have a higher modifier than the ones outing out 30 in the same time are.
Its important to not that when FMR is available Soviet lack any concentrated DPS while the FG42s are absolute beasts and the lmg34 is as great as ever. "

i guess opinions shift as the faction targeted changes

btw im not saying that moving dps does not matter, im saying the difference is low with is having better long range moving dps than volks and RE having better moving dps bonuses than other + commando, while still having better stationary dps

and no people will not give up victory points or fuel just for an ability they will try to hold with mg and other units, that can easily be sniped by a-moving the lmg blob with bonus accuracy

the argument of the unit targeted are better falls very short and show how biased people are, first " all that matters is long range dps and weapon upgrades not moving acc and close dps that's why mother Russia is fine with 50% bonuses" now " valiant assault is better than commando assault cause stg have OK close dps And can fire on the move, long range dps and weapon upgrades do not matter "

Actually that's 2 branches of the same thing that I'm saying. Okw get more out of it because of their weapons that are good at all ranges and on the move. The guns that shoot 5 shots every 2 seconds generally are no either of those. It's literally the same argument that the ability on other factions needs to be provide better buffs to be on par with the impact that VA brings....