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Thread: USF Rifle Company Rework24 Jun 2019, 20:19 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2019, 18:56 PMLoopDloop ..Is that really something you'd rather see than the cooks with carbines having it? Yes because: RE in fighting position fire 2 grenades RE can suppress RE can be spammed If Rifle grenade bar is problem it could be simply be changed to take all weapon slots. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Rifle Company Rework24 Jun 2019, 17:06 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2019, 16:12 PMLoopDloop I'd never spam rear echelons even for the upgrade. Their carbines are pretty terrible compared to just about any other weapon in the game, they're a 4 man squad with no good RA modifiers (which vet helps with but still), and they don't have snares. If I wanted to spam grenades everywhere I'd much rather be doing it from riflemen, who are tougher, have better weapons, and have snares and frags and better vet, and are only marginally more to reinforce. their weapon are superior to CE mosin at all ranges and pioneer above 14 range even without the vet 1 accuracy buff. The unit is inline with its cost. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ostwind's penetrations24 Jun 2019, 16:52 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 15:57 PMKirrik Missing the obvious point again? Re-read this: cooldown between shots is now basically half of what it was before, magazine size was increased from 5 to 7. Do you even understand sheer magnitude of these buffs? Imagine lets say KV-8 spewing flames twice as fast or Brummbar reloading 2x faster. Thats an insane and completely unjustified buff that just went through becase "we want Ostwind to be a shock vehicle, kinda like T-70 much better in every way" I am not sure you understand the change: DPS of the ostwind vs t34/76 before patch 5.8/5.6/4.8/4.0/3.2 after 12.4/10.3/7.4/5.8/4.3 the change is 214% 1.85% 1.55% 1.46% 1.36% the change is only close to double at range 0 which is unrealistic, at long range is only 146%-136%. VS infatry you seem to forget "AOE can now only hit two models max per squad." Your KV-8/Brumbar analogy is simply false. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 15 minute Tiger/Tiger Ace in 4v424 Jun 2019, 14:35 PM One can simply try to adjust CP gain across modes In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Rifle Company Rework24 Jun 2019, 13:35 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 00:45 AMLoopDloop Yeah so let's put it on a unit that has snares, an extra man from the get-go, better RA and better vet, and a frag grenade. That would also make it so your direct fire capabilities with infantry are kind of gimped. All around a bad solution IMO. ... The suggestion is put in unit that is less spam-able and where it becomes a choice and not a no brainer upgrade. In addition the upgrade would make upgunned riflemen better long range but vulnerable to CQC so ithe upgrade would better design. In addition it would remove silly things like: Double grenades from fighting position suppressing infantry trying to close in In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Move Conscripts 7th man from t4 to t3?21 Jun 2019, 21:05 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2019, 20:24 PMKatitof ... Thanks you for taking the time to write a long post (that I am not going to read) that can be summed up into your usual opinion "you wrong because I say so". I have made simple point: Units should be balanced around the optimum point not the "average" point and if that mean chancing more units to do, so be it. Weather Relic did find the "optimum" point is a separate issue but the argument that is "easier" to buff one towards the average instead of bringing all units towards the optimum simply does not hold water. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Move Conscripts 7th man from t4 to t3?21 Jun 2019, 20:18 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2019, 16:39 PMthedarkarmadillo Now not saying a disagree but... A 160mp tech required and then 5x the price difference that cons and volks have.... If there is ANY "they should be clubbing at any range because they are more expensive" this is it. Not saying penals don't need tuning but.... Come on... Penal are simply badly designed, units of such power level should simply not be available that early in the game. They could become similar to PF come out weaker and have weapon upgrade available to them. Compared to Penal, G43 PF are more expensive and yet their performance does not justified their cost. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Move Conscripts 7th man from t4 to t3?21 Jun 2019, 15:58 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2019, 14:57 PMSander93 ... In fact, comparing the balance from years ago to the current balance, I'd even say evidence suggests they were wrong. .. Not really, there is no evidence to suggest that they wrong, especially in finding optimum power level for infatry fights. The fact is that game is in better state has probably allot to do with the number of RNG, Cheesy and Bugs that have been fixed and less with actual balance decisions. When it comes to balance homogenizing faction made balanced allot easier. Finally even if one accept that "balance" wise things are better that does not prove that everything at that time including optimum power level was wrong. I can give you plenty of examples that went horribly wrong in the in the last patches and that does not mean much when it comes overall balance. Bottom line is that last patches have increased the power level of units for no apparent reason leading in vicious circle. For example : Ostheer T4 become early accessible then M36 had to buffed and now 3 Tiger come allot faster than rest of Super heavies. As long as Patches keep buffing staff and making available earlier I will continue to point out that imo instead of buffing units one should consider nerfing. Else the game will change from RTS to arcade with vehicles that have 100% chance to hit and penetrate other units at all ranges. Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2019, 14:57 PMSander93 You're not helping the discussion by repeating this over and over again. I was asked and I explained. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Rifle Company Rework21 Jun 2019, 14:34 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2019, 14:32 PMGI John 412 Not actually terrible, but it has two glaring problems. 1. No Easy Eight. The Easy Eight is only in Rifle Company and should be retained in it as it is a staple of the Commander. 2. Veteran Riflemen used to be a thing and they were removed because units with free veterancy were deemed to be difficult to balance and generally not that fun to use. Replace the veteran Riflemen call in with the Easy Eight and it would be pretty good. I would rather see the Easy 8 in armor company thematically. Rifle company could be more like Ostheer infantry commander with better base infatry instead of superior armor. (Although one could make move dozer to the commander and redesigning it as indirect fire support tank or an infatry support tank) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Move Conscripts 7th man from t4 to t3?21 Jun 2019, 14:29 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2019, 14:03 PMMusti But, how does that even work in a game where units are supposedly specifically designed with different power and cost efficiency in mind? They where not. Units where balanced according to baseline and design to excel at a certain range. "Small Arms Weapon Profiles The goal is to improve tactics by better defining unit roles; thereby, increasing the importance of unit positioning relative to cover. A weapon profile defines the distribution of damage over distance. Previously, the profiles were generally flat and did not fully characterize the strengths and weaknesses of a squad. Now, a Pioneer squad with a MP40 submachine gun has a very high damage output at close range but a substantially lower damage output at max range. The distribution of damage is no longer blended between ranges; this combined with the increased weapon lethality should reduce the tendency to rush infantry at one another. Keep in mind the weapon profiles represent the damage output of only a handful of units in live. Each profile will see an increase or decrease in damage output depending on the squad’s value. For example, a 100 manpower pioneer squad might do less close range damage than a 300 manpower Grenadier squad despite the pioneer MP40 submachine gun being a close range weapon. Hence, the value of a unit scales the weapon profile accordingly." In: COH2 Balance