Yes. Also incendiary grenades are not the topic neither I nor you have mentioned, so why do you respond with them at this point?
Simply because claiming that soviet do not have stock grenades is misleading. They have molotovs and satchels.
In addition I read allot more post of people cosplaying about the VG incendiary grenade than I have read about people complaining about bundle grenade or rifle-grenade.
Generally some people like to list the difference of faction and try to use them as argument. Mentioning a difference does not consist of argument unless that leads to unfair advantage.
OST has rifle grenades and bundles that fulfill the burst role. UKF infantry is meaningless in a thread about Soviet grenades that spawned from a thread about Soviet ZiS barrage.
UKF grenades have the same relevance as ostheer grenades in a thread about grenades. Both riflegrenade and bundle grenades can be dodge and the "luck of burst damage does not really means much.
One can claim Ostheer, UKF, USF do not have stock DOT damage does that mean they should incendiary round in their mortars?
The only thing a satchel can force a retreat on is a flanked, set up MG. The satchel does not help in mobile mainline combat since the fuse is so long that you can just walk out of it. Throwing a satchel is gambling on the opponent managing a completely different part of the map. The advantages of satchels are irrelevant. With the same reasoning I can say that I am pretty sure players (or at least I) would take a bundle grenade over the standard satchel on penals anytime.
My point was simply that claiming that Soviet do not have grenades while ignoring molotvs and satchels is simply misleading.
And imo Penal should have grenade instead of satchel. It should be locked behind tech.
I agree that they are different, but matter of fact is that Soviets should have similar tools like other functions, and they currently have almost none (except mortars that have become more of a niche unit especially in smaller modes) for putting in burst damage in infantry-infantry combat if you take away the ZiS barrage.
If Soviet should "have similar" tools then other faction should also have incendiary grenades, satchels and barrage in their ATGs.
Contrary to a grenade a Zis barrage can frontally and from 60 dislodge a HMG so it faction is not to for "putting in burst damage in infantry-infantry" combat. Actually it is rather bad into that role.
But once more the suggestion was never to removed the barrage but to increase its CD.
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