ram is a huge factor to the cost efficiency of the T-34... removing ram has the potential to turn the T-34-76 bad as its base stats are simply subpar...
either revert the ram nerf or buff the base stats of the T-34-76 if you want to remove ram from the game as with the patch
Not really. In the WC2019 out of 35 T-34/76 ram was used 5 times in 2 games. |
At least the panther has ai. Its closer to filling in for generalist then allied td ever will.
You and other keep saying its a td and thus deserves the acc buff with vet cuz allied td's get that already, while ignoring its higher hp its higher armour its better mobility due to heavy crush while ignoring the factions they are in. You just look at td's and panthers and cherry pick what td's are good at and what panthers suposedly are lackin in. With no further context.
The panthers is not a td its not a medium its not a heavy. Its a mix of the 3. Taking the strongest atributes of 2 of them.
You do know the comet is deemed op for a while now do you? And the panthers has a simaler cost and deserves a buff somehow?
Once more, it does not matter what you call it is vehicle with role of countering other vehicles.
Comet in main battle tank with dual purpose gun, grenades, smoke, WP with the role of countering both hard and soft targets.
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Did my post mention exp values? Or over all combat efficiency?
I know you don't like being misrepresented, please don't misrepresent me.
I do not see how a misrepresented you (and even if I did it was not intentional).
I used a questions mark exactly because I was unsure if you post was questioning weather the Pathfinder XP value is not too low. From this response I have to guess that you agree that it is to low (or at least you do not disagree) which is the point of the original post. |
Well, I wasnt even making this complacent to begin with. "Jackson OP" was brought into the disscusstion and compared to panther. Jackson can be and should be compared to the FF\JP4\SU-85 and that it over-all has all the advantages of a proper TD + on top of that some they dont have. This what I was saying regarding Jackson.
As for panther, what I was mentioning are the advantages over other TDs IF one want to draw clear line between them and compare them directly.
While I also do agree, that panther is also jack of all trades and its a TD oriented tank, its a competly different unit and it shouldn't be compared with other TDs.
I am not sure why all the fuss about what Panther classification is. What is important is the role it has and that is to counter vehicles.
That fact that it does by actually slagging it out instead of sniping from distance hardy makes an important difference. |
Not at all ranges. At ranges under 13m pioneers do outdps standard pathfinders.
Are you seriously going to compare the combat efficiency of pioneers and Pathfinders?
The XP value of Pathfinder is simply too low. |
Its not the panther cant do both jobs now does it? That comes with a price. Ingoring that and keep comparing it to td's is also misleading. Its a mix of both and has heavy tank stats as well. It comes at a price.
It does not do the job of medium. You are trying to present Panther as all around unit when clearly that is not the case.
If you want to continue comparing units that do not serve the same role compare the Panther with the Comet which at least has a closer price.
You will see that it also has extra armor, extra HP, heavy crush, extra range and a number of other goodies. |
6 compared to 3 from the wehrmacht, right?
240mm is 7, concatenate operation 6 if I remember correctly. |
The question is and should be, does it need an acc buff with vet?
Imo it most defenitly does not. Its a tank with heavy armour heavy hp heavy crush, medium rof higher medium tank speed, range between regular tank range 40 and 60 range td's its accuracy is better then mediums but worse then td's.
It is also a vehicle that is more expensive than both mediums and heavy TDs.
The advantages it has come with at a price, so comparing without taking into account the cost is rather misleading. |
Yea.. whats the point/problem and your purposal then?
The only ability you can match it with is the 240mm barrage of the USF (I believe) which lands with an equal delay only with a lot more scatter. Your first shell always hits dead center, which makes it very strong.
The ability is comparable to both 240mm, concentrate fire operation. Note that both abilities provide more shells. |
Getting the T34 earlier is the whole purpose, because currently Soviet tech costs (185 fuel T1, 190 fuel for T2 +10 for at nades) are higher than Ostheers (175 fuel). If we assume that all mediums are balanced to their price, the T34 can come at almost the same time as the P4 in current T2 builds. Meaning you have the weaker medium tank for the same cost at the same timing. In my eyes that is the main reason why the T34 is considered a bad choice: You're on the backfoot for the whole time until you get the second T34 and even then only barely equal. The only way to reach a critical mass with T34s is at 3 tanks. Ostheer is obviously a bit special because of their T4, that's why I suggested to increase the total tech cost for Soviets a bit and offset the earlier medium.
The overal of T70 and T34 is intended by design and as I stated in my post it would potentially help reducing reliance on the T70, which could create more build orders for Soviets.
T-34/76 was used both in WC2019 (35 being built being the most popular soviet medium tank) and WC2020 so I am not sure who considers a bad unit. On the other hand considering it a bad choice does really say much since T-34/86 is considered to be one of the most cost efficient mediums, 76mm Sherman was used even by USF and KV-1 as you say needs slight nerf.
Regarding the call ins: I already stated they might be an issue. However the 76mm Sherman then comes at around similar timing as the OST P4, which is fine since these units are similarly strong. KV-1 needs a slight nerf regardless of this.
That is debatable.
Bear in mind though that ALL of this "very fast" fielding of units how you call it means that Soviets get neither a T70 nor 7 men Conscripts. So their performance is not comparable to the current meta. Soviet AI would be bad if they decide to rush a tank. Which is actually good, because it allows more choices in gameplay again.
There has been a trend of making powerful units available earlier and T-34/76 becoming available earlier was caused by that, so making T-34/76 available earlier is not the solution. If there a problem the other mediums should be pushed back. |
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