And of course Ostwinds dont come along with Pgrens with schrecks that can zone T-34s or Paks behind them, not allowing to T-34 to engage in first place?
Two Ostwinds vs 1 t34 is already 180 fuel vs 90. So you cant all of the sudden decide that equivalent numbers matter when you dont like where the conversation is going |
So you just proved what I said? Even in that video when RNG was on T-34 side and every shot on the move hit Ostwinds, they still won.
In a real game this fight would never happen. He's literally making these videos just for you, but in a real game you would bump into another unit during all this chasing. One conscript with an AT nade and the fight goes against the ostwinds...
You're really picking out the things you want and ignoring everything else |
Now try that test on an actual map with buildings and forest, that T-34 would start spinning in circles after first couple of seconds
How about you try to play as Ost and show us a video of you kiting mediums with 2x ostwind in an actual game? Or get a video of it happening to you?
If you literally add just one con squad to the mix for an at-nade, which is reasonable if the ostwinds are chasing the t34, the ostwinds are fucked. |
Two Ostwind killing a medium tank without taking casualties is ridiculous and it shows how overbuffed Ostwind is.
And as was pointed out by Sander, it wouldn't happen like that at all in an actual real-game situation. The Ostwinds moving accuracy is terrible.
The t34 is the worst armored medium in the game. An in-vacuum test against Ostwinds means very little, as many have explained.
And now here is a video I just recorded of two Ostwinds doing almost nothing to a T-34, while moving, across half the map. Hope you can handle this.
Much appreciated! Meaning both the video and your work on the patch |
Did you miss the very first video where 2 Ostwinds wreck T-34 without casualties? You think thats perfectly normal?
Nope, I just agree with these posts. Also it was 180 fuel vs 90, I really dont think its the end of the world:
this test is not very representative because the units are stationary.
Compared to the T-34, the Ostwind suffers from worse accuracy on the move.
If the T-34 pulls back and the Ostwinds chase (which is the realistic scenario), the Ostwinds' DPM will drop more drastically than the T-34's and the T34 will actually win quite easily from what I can tell.
If you set up a scenario with the T-34 going backwards and the two Ostwinds chasing, you'll notice they'll barely do any damage to it.
It's Lanchester's Law. The smaller force takes disproprotionate losses.
If you fight four squads with two squads, you won't trade evenly. You'll lose both and they'll lose one.
It's why blobbing is so effective.
Your test is equivalent to throwing four Ostwinds at the T-34 in succession.
How about instead of giving me attitude about what you think I've missed, you just explain your point of view without being rude |
Missing the obvious point again? Re-read this: cooldown between shots is now basically half of what it was before, magazine size was increased from 5 to 7. Do you even understand sheer magnitude of these buffs?
Are you missing the title of this thread? Its about Ostwind vs. Vehicles. The buffs were very strong against infantry, but against tanks a 23% chance of penetrating the weakest medium in the game is not "strong". If you think it is, I dont know what to tell you. That means it fails to pen 3/4 shots regularly, shots which only do 40 damage to begin with.... |
Its ROF was buffed so now it does deal more DPM to an enemy tank than before, so there is a change. However the damage it deals in a realistic scenario (with the units moving) is pretty insignificant even against the worst/cheapest medium in the game.
Yeah i just checked the changelog and edited my post for the cooldown change. But agreed it still shouldnt make anywhere near the difference that the OP talking about
Yeah, they only HALVED cooldown beween shots and increased magazine from 5 to 7. Aside of that, totally nothing was changed about Ostwind
And it still only has a 23% chance of penetrating a t34 (max range) which is a very weakly armored tank. The OP is talking about its performance against tanks, not its performance in general |
They didnt even buff the ostwinds penetration. It shouldnt be any better against t34s than it was before the patch. There's no legit complaint here
Edit: The slight cooldown buff is the most intense change that would effect its performance against vehicles, and that still shouldnt be much |
Any changes to sturms imo should be accompanied with accessibility buff and a starting out power nerf.
Very much agree. Or in s similar line of thought, make volks the starting unit and straight up buff sturms. I feel like it would be okay for them to have some serious firepower if you didn't get a free one |
Should definitely remove the ability to upgrade anywhere. But it's definiitely only a small step in the right direction, OKWs opening still needs a lot of looking at |