then the problem is not volks but the stg, give mp 40 adjust vet, put stg in the fire doc
I don't get how you can spend this entire thread arguing with people when you agree that the StG needs to go. That is a nerf to volks and you spend the entire time criticizing OP
He usually deserves the criticism, but take a break every once in a while |
Your suggestion is stupid.
Thanks dude, I appreciate it
So one of the slowest tanks in the game, and a unit that's rarely used outside of team-games (where it can be a problem in packs of 4+).
And the stock sherman.... Whether or not you have played against ez8 very much has nothing to do with this discussion
Su85 and jp4 both reload faster so idk what you even mean by "one of the fastest" |
Why should it be higher than 0.5, like every other medium/heavy/ultra heavy tank in the game?
It's not even the only tank in it's tier with .75 so this isn't even true. Theres also the Churchill at .75, the ez8 has .75
Im suggesting it cost 155-160 fuel so i don't see why it having better moving acc than cheaper mediums that can also fight infantry is asking so much |
The strength of the HE shell for destroyers and stronger medium tanks are somewhere around close to the strength of a PanzerIV shell strength but slightly stronger
Even if you made the aoe of HE shell on medium tanks much better, the TDs would still be stronger. 60 range HE shells would be crazy |
I'm open to tuning, but maintain that making it more expensive ain't the right route.
Which tuning change are you interested in? I liked the one you had with hvap earlier, about making default a little weaker and relying on hvap more
I guess i can see a lower moving acc than .75, but i feel it should still have more than regular mediums as well |
And of all the TDs which one has the best chance of escaping? Or at the very least dragging a tank down with it...
You don't have to convince me the Jackson is the best TD, I'm already there...
I maintain that just making it more expensive isn't enough because then the Jackson HAS to be God tier and invalidate armour of all shapes and sizes and then if you do go afk long enough to not save it then GG because you won't be able to scrape enough h fuel together to get another one.
Like I said before the US has nothing above 800hp except vet 2 105mm sherman. To me that's why you have something like the Jackson. The pershing can struggle 1 on 1 against a panther, and that's the US' best tank period |
i would rather give it a weakness than just make it more expensive but be uncounterable
I just don't think it's THAT uncounterable. This could be coming down to game type differences though. I play more 2v2 than 1v1 and tanks of all sizes die a lot more often in team games |
actually he was only talking about the range nerf, he was cool with the other 2
Yes I'm aware of that, the moving acc part was from me not him
Su85 has self-spotting (seems to get highly underrated). Firefly has it's own tricks, tulips especially, but ive already said the Jackson should cost the same if not more fuel than the Firefly |
first "i" "u" "ur" im not the okw faction and u are not the usf faction, at least i don't sexually identify as okw
Was a figure of speech given the sides we were taking in the discussion. Idk how you can say you don't think volks are OP but you want to remove the StG. Thats what made them such a problem
Maybe not against US but stgs are the main reason conscripts are so unusable. But we have enough threads about that |
like ? bar are much better than stgs and u even get zook if u want
I have to pay to unlock my bars and grenades, you get them with tech. That's a full squad of MP and 30 fuel I need in order to get stuff that comes with your regular tech costs
Again Rifleman are good. Not as cost effective as Volks, which are OP. You think volks are OP too don't you? Do you think rifleman are also OP? If you don't then i don't see how you can disagree with the statement that volks are more cost effective |