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Thread: ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?24 Mar 2020, 15:32 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 13:23 PMKatitof Last patch mention of ISU AP rounds specifically mentions removing deflection damage, 5 years ago. There is no further note mentioning anything about AP rounds or their pen. Care to post a patch note saying it was re-introduced? ISU AP definitely does deflection damage You need to check the commander revamp changelogs when you do these searches. For some reason some of the changes that went live from those previews are NOT in the main changelog but they are definitely in the game. You will find the deflection damage change in the December Commander Revamp Can I ask why you don't play the game anymore? Cause you would know it does deflection pretty easily if you used it once since the change In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?24 Mar 2020, 01:38 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2020, 01:21 AMelchino7 I didn't count it, but killing a model in the first shell was EXTREMELY rare. Best results were generally doing half or more squad HP dmg. Thank you for doing the tests! The ISUs aoe was specifically reworked so that it would be this way. Its overall aoe used to be smaller iirc, but its 80 dmg radius was larger. Then they made the overall aoe 6, but reduced the kill radius A few explosive weapons have gone through this style of change, the 120mm mortar had this happen as well. Its a rare change that is both a buff and nerf. You deal more consistent damage but the ability to nuke full health squads is practically gone The ISU is certainly not 1-shotting squads anywhere near what this thread is suggesting In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?23 Mar 2020, 22:55 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 22:50 PMWiderstreit Use your brain, maybe you find the argument, because there is no need to write or say it. It is logical. Right lol.... so you don't have an argument. The ISU was also nerfed years ago, around the same time as some of those elefant nerfs. Feel free to read about it In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?23 Mar 2020, 22:45 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 22:41 PMWiderstreit So many people in balance-team and forum arn't consistent and their argumentations are hypocritical. You didn't even make an argument? Youre just ranting about your opinions of other people In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?23 Mar 2020, 22:28 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 22:21 PMDoomlord52 It's "1-shot" radius is 1.01; and grens have a horribly tendency to 'blob' together in cover. Regardless, let's image a "best case" scenario, where the shell only lands perfectly on one model. The squad is now at 3 models. However, the 2nd closest model was likely in the "mid" damage range, so it took 56 damage, and the other 2 models were likely in the "far" damage range, so they took. 32. That leaves 1 model with 24hp, and two with 48hp: for a total of 120hp - or 37.5%. That squad is now forced to retreat, and wait a lengthy period of time to heal (not to mention, paying ~30mp). To remove that entire squad from combat, all the Sov player had to do was have the ISU within 70 range. "All they had to do" was set there 14 CP, 720mp 260fu unit to a mode where it cant damage most tanks Edit: Elchinos test show that the 1 shot of clumped squads is not "common" at all. Even 2 shotting wasn't that common against grens Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 22:21 PMDoomlord52 There simply aren't (and shouldn't) be any units with that level of performance for zero user input. It's the same argument as with the M8A1 scott and Pack-Howitzer. The Brummbar actually has it right in that the player needs to manually target the shell, and be within AT range, to do anything. Its not zero user input. You have to switch the shells and spot for the tank. You have to protect it from flanks with whatever else you have left, it takes up a lot of pop and resources This is the exact reason you will never see one in 1v1. It only gets used in team games, nerf it more and we won't see it in any game modes In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?23 Mar 2020, 22:12 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 22:10 PMDoomlord52 I'll trade that 17% AT power for the ability to 1-shot squads. It doesn't 1 shot squads under any normal circumstances. If the squad is clumped, maybe. But lots of units can wipe under those circumstances Under any normal circumstances, it will take 2 shots, hence the importance of the reload time In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?23 Mar 2020, 21:52 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 21:50 PMVipper Taking into account only reload is simply misleading. ISU-152 can kill a medium with 3 shots (2 reload) while SU-85 need 4 shots (reload). The difference is lower than the ROF indicates. No one is only taking reload in account, but saying it "doesn't matter at all" is just ridiculous "Only" comparing the difference against mediums is also misleading. ISU gets no penetration bonuses with vet, SU85 does. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?23 Mar 2020, 21:43 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 18:30 PMDoomlord52 ISU changes, in any form, are very unlikely to make it into the current test patch, so they need to discussed around the state of the game after the current 'patch-in-testing' is released, not before it. If you're of the opinion that the ISU is currently so OP that you need to reduce its range by 20-25, then it makes sense to talk about compared to the OP performance of those units. The ISU has far more balancing around its ability to wipe infantry than the live Tiger does Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 18:30 PMDoomlord52 All of those units had the ability to fight ATGs head on, and all of them were nerfed because of it; that's the reason they're comparable.. In heavy tank cases it was that ability, IN ADDITION to dominating every vehicle on the field besides TDs. In the brumbarr case, I will say again, it is much much cheaper, and doesn't require 14 cps You specifically get the ISU to engage support weapons and infantry at range. That's literally the reason you buy it. I don't know why you keep trying to explain what it does Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 18:30 PMDoomlord52 As for the downtime between shots; then what of the SturmTiger? Can we buff it to 60 or 70 range? It's reload is much longer, it's manually fired, manually reloaded, it has an obvious wind up animation, it's doc-locked (in one, pretty bad doc), it's incredibly expensive, and it can't even directly target units. The larger AoE/Damage should be justifiable by the lower RoF and increased user input required. Or can we make the SturmTiger an ISU clone? Less AoE/Damage, but 70 range and auto-firing every 10 seconds - this might even make the ST usable. I think both of those are completely unreasonable options, but maybe they're fine. Make a thread about the Sturmtiger. What on Earth does this have to do with the ISU? Have I come out and said I am totally fine with how much the ST has been nerfed? Nope. Not really. Why are you turning this into a "why doesnt this faction get anything like it" argument? I don't know, because Relic decided it. USF doesnt have a heavy assault gun of any kind, AT or AI Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 18:30 PMDoomlord52 No, the reason I didn't mention reload or switching is because it doesn't matter. The ISU is such a 'set and forget' unit, and its effect is so powerful, that the reload/switch time isn't really a down-side. A single shot either instantly wipes, or forces a retreat, of almost every single OST infantry unit. If the shell was incredibly slow and required manually aiming (similar to the brummbar), then I could see this being a valid argument; but it's not. It is totally a valid argument now you're just not making any sense at all. Reload time is irrelevant? Its reload time literally means it has worse AT power than an SU85, a unit that is more than 100 fuel cheaper.... The ISU will only 1-shot a squad in the same scenario that many tanks can 1-shot: if the squad is clumped up awkwardly because its moving around cover or something. It will usually take at least 2 shots, the second of which you have plenty of time to react to Btw I specifically just told you I supported increase brumbarr shell speed Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 18:30 PMDoomlord52 By the time the ISU shows up, you'll likely have a lot of AT available; either in the form of other tanks/TDs, or ATGs, or infantry squads (penals, etc.). In most 2v2 games, that's how the ISU is used. It requires incredibly little user input for absurd results. All heavy assault guns are used that way. The elefant and JagD trade having no AI power (minus JagDs muni ability) for being much much better at killing tanks. They don't require much micro either, that's also how these units are used You will have fewer of them if you invest the fuel in an ISU... OR your ISU will be arriving very late if you decide do get tanks and TDs In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?23 Mar 2020, 18:15 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 18:06 PMAlphrum Go ingame, open cheat mod and test all those tanks u've listed and come back and tell me isu152 ai is on the same level then all those tanks youve listed. Why should its AI be on the same level? Its not as good at fighting tanks as regular heavies are, and regular heavies can fight both at the same time The brumbarr is the only thing on his list that can't fight tanks at all, and its much cheaper and doesn't require 14 CPs In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ISU-152 HE shell range should be reduced?23 Mar 2020, 17:32 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 17:03 PMDoomlord52 Post Tiger nerf, the ISU-152 is absolutely going to perform better against infantry than any of those units. I specifically said the live Tiger is better. It's also more expensive than any of those units besides KT, requires 14 cps and t4 Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 17:03 PMDoomlord52 The Tigers(s) can only fire up to 45-50 range (vet), and is getting nerfed severely. The Scott is frustratingly inconsistent, but will still require several shells to wipe an ATG. And even then, it's useless against tanks, and incredibly squishy. The KT has a ton of armor, but is incredibly slow, and also limited to 45 range. And like the Tiger, will rarely wipe more than a few models per shot, unless there's horrible clumping. The Pershing is similar to the Tiger(s), but with less armor and AT power, but more AI. Why are you talking about these units? None of them is really that similar to the ISU. The heavies don't have to wait 14 seconds to switch between fighting infantry and tanks. They also don't have 9-11 second reload times The downtime between shots and shell switching was the main point in my last post, and you didn't even mention it Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2020, 17:03 PMDoomlord52 Meanwhile the ISU-152 has 70 range and an AoE of 6. Against soft targets, it's by far the best AI-vehicle I listed. Setting it to HE and letting it auto-fire is completely viable, something none of the other units can do (except maybe the scott). It's completely viable if you have a large chunk of AT supporting it. Of course you can let it sit back and autofire, what else are you supposed to do with it? You can't exactly send it to any spot on the map like a heavy tank, it has to stay where it has plenty of space/vision Brumbarr has 35 range btw, and I supported buffing its shell speed. But that has nothing to do with the ISU In: COH2 Balance