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8 Apr 2019, 15:37 PM
#121
avatar of Balanced_Gamer

Posts: 783

Pzgrens just needs to more cheaper in order to solve Gren problem. 340 manpower is a lot for something that dies more easily than Obers.

Pzgrens needs to die less often for that cost. Currently drops faster than Obers which is ridiculous. Also, Lacks utility. For the way it is, it should be 300-320 manpower. 300 manpower I would say personally for the way it currently is.

OR

Buff them a little

Read also what WingZero said https://www.coh2.org/topic/88920/i-hear-the-new-patches-have-made-western-allies-op/post/737468



This will solve the issues Wehrmacht has.

Also fix Ostwind. That is self-explanatory!
11 Apr 2019, 06:23 AM
#123
avatar of Corsin

Posts: 597

I mean, all it needs is grens to have a 5-man squad, and cost 280. Gives them a new dynamic that also prevent them from being too easily wiped mid-late game.

OR... Make the Squad leader upgrade a stock upgrade. So they pay 60 munis for either a LMG42 (and stay 4man), or a 5th man and G43's.

When you think the USf and UKF get 2x LMG's per squad and 5 man squads, its not unreasonable. |

I mean, theres a lot of arguments in here like "Penals are the counterpart to P-Grens". But... think about it, the squad wipe potential is vastly different to output...

One mine = half a OST squad dead, = retreat.

2 snipers, and you have to run.

1 mortar shell or nade can easily wipe a squad...

Late game, a dozer sherman/HE round sherman, Scott, Pakhowitzer, Brit Centaur or even a IS2 can easily AND QUICKLY 1 shot a vet 3 gren squad....
As for a 5-6 man squad that aint gonna happen unless they position clump.


If you compensated cost for the 5th man of a gren squad, it would be fine. The only reason anyone would oppose that is either they dont play the game, or they're enjoying their allied win spree. (which trust me, ive done before, im not proud of it, was to prove a point).
11 Apr 2019, 06:55 AM
#124
avatar of Balanced_Gamer

Posts: 783

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Apr 2019, 06:23 AMCorsin
I mean, all it needs is grens to have a 5-man squad, and cost 280. Gives them a new dynamic that also prevent them from being too easily wiped mid-late game.

OR... Make the Squad leader upgrade a stock upgrade. So they pay 60 munis for either a LMG42 (and stay 4man), or a 5th man and G43's.

When you think the USf and UKF get 2x LMG's per squad and 5 man squads, its not unreasonable. |

I mean, theres a lot of arguments in here like "Penals are the counterpart to P-Grens". But... think about it, the squad wipe potential is vastly different to output...

One mine = half a OST squad dead, = retreat.

2 snipers, and you have to run.

1 mortar shell or nade can easily wipe a squad...

Late game, a dozer sherman/HE round sherman, Scott, Pakhowitzer, Brit Centaur or even a IS2 can easily AND QUICKLY 1 shot a vet 3 gren squad....
As for a 5-6 man squad that aint gonna happen unless they position clump.


If you compensated cost for the 5th man of a gren squad, it would be fine. The only reason anyone would oppose that is either they dont play the game, or they're enjoying their allied win spree. (which trust me, ive done before, im not proud of it, was to prove a point).



You are very right indeed. They are the faction that has to retreat the most often. Unfair how they are just limited to a weapon upgrade compared to Tommies having 5 men and 2 brens. Default boost behind cover also providing additional performance. Even just having 5 man with upgrade is even better.

Still think Conscripts should get default PPSH, maybe a worse profile version. Take away their Oraah (sprint ability) and have upgrade option for them. Make them used more often. :D


Give Osteehr either access to armour upgrades or additonal weapon upgrades.

Pzgrens should have additional armour upgrades or a 5 man option. Since they drop fast. No weapon upgrades for them.


Grens should have maybe either a 5 man option with at least a weapon upgrade


and another option would be instead trade for more firepower


Can combine MG42 upgrade with G43, 4 man squad.

This will fix their issues for starters.
11 Apr 2019, 12:33 PM
#125
avatar of Felinewolfie

Posts: 782 | Subs: 4

How about giving Grens the ability to build sandbags just like VGs?


Then they'd lose ability to make Bunkers.
Originally, Pioneers couldn't make sandbags, bunkers WERE the sandbags.

If going to give sandbags and bunkers to all german units, why not give bunkers to OKW as default
as well as tank traps?

Make all german units 6 man squads, and say soviets were the most numerous when they're
out-gunned AND out-manned? ;)
11 Apr 2019, 12:40 PM
#126
avatar of TheOldBreed

Posts: 76

OKW is the SS right?
11 Apr 2019, 12:42 PM
#127
avatar of Katitof

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OKW is the SS right?

No, its Oberkomand West.
11 Apr 2019, 12:48 PM
#128
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Posts: 76

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Apr 2019, 12:42 PMKatitof

No, its Oberkomand West.

Wonder why they didnt put the SS in?
11 Apr 2019, 12:49 PM
#129
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Wonder why they didnt put the SS in?

Because they were not military?
11 Apr 2019, 12:57 PM
#130
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Apr 2019, 12:49 PMKatitof

Because they were not military?

They were the "Armed Wing of Hitler" and they were very elite compared to Wehrmacht. How were they not a military force? I would like to see them and some elite American Units in Coh3.
11 Apr 2019, 13:00 PM
#131
avatar of Vipper

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SS it a taboo theme in many countries for some weird reason.
11 Apr 2019, 13:03 PM
#132
avatar of Katitof

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They were the "Armed Wing of Hitler" and they were very elite compared to Wehrmacht. How were they not a military force? I would like to see them and some elite American Units in Coh3.

Again, they were political, not military.
Just because you have an uniform and a gun does not make you a soldier.

Best equipment doesn't make you most elite either.
11 Apr 2019, 13:24 PM
#133
avatar of waasdijki

Posts: 37


They were the "Armed Wing of Hitler" and they were very elite compared to Wehrmacht. How were they not a military force? I would like to see them and some elite American Units in Coh3.


Military branch =/= military division
11 Apr 2019, 13:30 PM
#134
avatar of NaOCl

Posts: 269

jump backJump back to quoted post29 Mar 2019, 20:55 PMKatitof
Have you tried not to face mash that upgrade button on 251 and actually use it to reinforce in combat?


Utter unabashed and relentless genius. How do you do it katitof? Solved all wehrs problems with a single click.
11 Apr 2019, 13:32 PM
#135
avatar of NaOCl

Posts: 269

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Apr 2019, 13:03 PMKatitof

Again, they were political, not military.
Just because you have an uniform and a gun does not make you a soldier.

Best equipment doesn't make you most elite either.


Does serving in war in a combat role make you a soldier?
11 Apr 2019, 13:33 PM
#136
avatar of DerKuhlmann

Posts: 230

I had an idea.
How about bunkers didn´t cost manpower to build, but upgrading them cost manpower + munitions.
11 Apr 2019, 13:56 PM
#137
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Posts: 2607 | Subs: 1

I had an idea.
How about bunkers didn´t cost manpower to build, but upgrading them cost manpower + munitions.


What's your rank again?
11 Apr 2019, 14:52 PM
#138
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Apr 2019, 13:56 PMEsxile


What's your rank again?

Hahha Own'd
11 Apr 2019, 15:03 PM
#139
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Their 38 division of Waffen-SS and many actually fought in the front line.
11 Apr 2019, 15:19 PM
#140
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Apr 2019, 13:56 PMEsxile


What's your rank again?

Hahha Own'd
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