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USF Mortar

21 Jan 2018, 00:05 AM
#1
avatar of DerKuhlmann

Posts: 465

It misses 3 out of 4 shots when using it´s barage.

It´s over nerfed.
21 Jan 2018, 00:22 AM
#2
avatar of skemshead

Posts: 609

I could say same thing about numerous units.

This is the reason why cancers grow in this game.

Usf morter is more than fine as is.
21 Jan 2018, 00:27 AM
#3
avatar of AceOfTitanium

Posts: 162

It's just rng. In one game I had one mortar that won me all engagements and even the match.
21 Jan 2018, 00:45 AM
#4
avatar of Mittens
Donator 11

Posts: 1276


I wouldn't mind it being a little more accurate
The range as well as its pack up time to be rather fair.
Vaz
21 Jan 2018, 01:39 AM
#5
avatar of Vaz

Posts: 1158

It sucks
21 Jan 2018, 01:48 AM
#6
avatar of skemshead

Posts: 609

Anyone who wants to whine about usf morter sucking should go play ost and see how utterly annoying and repetitive playing against usf mortar is.

The strength of the usf mortar , aside from it being almost unkillable due to lightning pack up speed is the continual pressure it can apply. People often ignore the fact that a half health gren squad will loose any engagement and risk being wiped. Same goes for the mg. The mortar may not get the kills but it often does significant damage and either forces the opposing squad from the field or gives a flanking double bars squad a huge advantage.

Stop focusing on its weakness and instead look to its strengths.
21 Jan 2018, 10:58 AM
#7
avatar of FelixTHM

Posts: 503 | Subs: 1

It misses 3 out of 4 shots when using it´s barage.

It´s over nerfed.


I had a game where Vet 0 ZIS Gun penetrated KT frontal armour 4 times in a row.

Does that make ZIS gun OP?
21 Jan 2018, 11:08 AM
#8
avatar of Puppetmaster
Patrion 310

Posts: 871

USF mortar is fine, aside from the poor range.

@skemshead I would suggest you play against the ost mortar before commenting on the usf mortar.
21 Jan 2018, 11:24 AM
#9
avatar of skemshead

Posts: 609

USF mortar is fine, aside from the poor range.

@skemshead I would suggest you play against the ost mortar before commenting on the usf mortar.


Maybe you should try playing ost and see how annoying playing against mortars is, with 4 man sqauds.
21 Jan 2018, 11:45 AM
#10
avatar of Puppetmaster
Patrion 310

Posts: 871



Maybe you should try playing ost and see how annoying playing against mortars is, with 4 man sqauds.


Ah you mean like playing as brits forced into cover vs ost mortar?

I've played Ost loads this patch. Looks like you have only played Ost.....
21 Jan 2018, 12:53 PM
#11
avatar of zarok47

Posts: 587

USF mortar is fine, aside from the poor range.

@skemshead I would suggest you play against the ost mortar before commenting on the usf mortar.


Usf mortar has ost mortar scatter vs smaller sqauds.

I suggest you look up stats before making any statements.
21 Jan 2018, 12:58 PM
#12
avatar of Puppetmaster
Patrion 310

Posts: 871

jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jan 2018, 12:53 PMzarok47


Usf mortar has ost mortar scatter vs smaller sqauds.

I suggest you look up stats before making any statements.



I'm well aware of the stats, but the Ost mortar still has 80 range while the USF mortar does not. Additionally, match ups exist outside of Ost vs USF. As I already stated, the Ost mortar vs 4 man brit squads who require cover to perform to their fullest, get slaughtered by the Ost mortar due to being bunched up. Also USF mortar can fire against 5 and 6 man squads from both Ost and OKW. Comparing them in a narrow minded way is false.
21 Jan 2018, 13:19 PM
#13
avatar of zarok47

Posts: 587




I'm well aware of the stats, but the Ost mortar still has 80 range while the USF mortar does not. Additionally, match ups exist outside of Ost vs USF. As I already stated, the Ost mortar vs 4 man brit squads who require cover to perform to their fullest, get slaughtered by the Ost mortar due to being bunched up. Also USF mortar can fire against 5 and 6 man squads from both Ost and OKW. Comparing them in a narrow minded way is false.


Name one non-doc 5/6 man axis sqaud that isn"t volks.

Ye, lovely that eh?

And the range is compensated by the set-up time (you can dodge nades with that thing, it's hilarious).
21 Jan 2018, 14:50 PM
#14
avatar of Tiger Baron

Posts: 3141 | Subs: 2

What about a UKF Mortar?
22 Jan 2018, 04:17 AM
#15
avatar of thedarkarmadillo

Posts: 5279

What about a UKF Mortar?

I think its that 400mp autofire hole in the ground thats able to tank a sturmtiger rocket and could even when medium tanks couldnt. Could be wrong tho
22 Jan 2018, 07:35 AM
#16
avatar of Highfiveeeee

Posts: 1740

Do not touch a perfectly fine unit. I have had wipes with the USF mortar and I had shells that missed by a long shot. Absolutely not a single problem here.
22 Jan 2018, 11:57 AM
#17
avatar of Aarotron

Posts: 563

i think the point of it is to be just placeholder. It does the duty of mortar if you need it, but its not great at its job. As usf was not originally meant to have mortar.
22 Jan 2018, 11:58 AM
#18
avatar of Tiger Baron

Posts: 3141 | Subs: 2


I think its that 400mp autofire hole in the ground thats able to tank a sturmtiger rocket and could even when medium tanks couldnt. Could be wrong tho


What about this mortar: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=679152285
22 Jan 2018, 13:09 PM
#19
avatar of Stug life

Posts: 4474



What about this mortar: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=679152285
"i thanks mr smith of the idea" lol really mr smith what were u smoking ?
22 Jan 2018, 15:49 PM
#20
avatar of Mittens
Donator 11

Posts: 1276



Maybe you should try playing ost and see how annoying playing against mortars is, with 4 man sqauds.



This is a poor argument for sure ill take it.

-Snip-
Basically

TLDR: OST Mortar ROF bypass its "downsides" of low accuracy because it fires 2x the amount of shells leading it to gain vet faster only making better. Its high ROF also gives it a high chance of hitting larger squads (thus nullifying your "Muh 4 man squads) and a higher chance for squad wipes.

USF mortar in theory needs a scatter/accuracy change but the range and pack up time are a fair con of the unit.
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