And doesn't give you anything else then the ability to use rifle at nade as opposed to ost one getting you to vet3.
Which therefore costs fuel and delays tech for example
grenadier/panzergrenadier lack of survivability
10 Oct 2015, 14:30 PM
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Which therefore costs fuel and delays tech for example
10 Oct 2015, 14:39 PM
#22
Posts: 760
5 man grens and pgrens will need a dps nerf. Ost already have some of the best infantry in the game
10 Oct 2015, 14:49 PM
#23
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And doesn't give you anything else then the ability to use rifle at nade as opposed to ost one getting you to vet3.
since i don't own the commander i don't know exactly how it works, but doesn't it get grens only to vet2? i'd have to look it up again, but i thought it gives a set amount of XP, which gets different units to different veterancy levels.
still: both commanders are utterly broken and don't belong in the game.
10 Oct 2015, 14:56 PM
#24
Posts: 34
since i don't own the commander i don't know exactly how it works, but doesn't it get grens only to vet2? i'd have to look it up again, but i thought it gives a set amount of XP, which gets different units to different veterancy levels.
still: both commanders are utterly broken and don't belong in the game.
Grens getting 3 vet pzgrens 2 vet. Imo no buffs for both squds needed. Grens are fine inf killers they are supposed to be glasscanon, they aren't meatsield. Pzgrens fine elite inf squad. Just stop crying guys.
10 Oct 2015, 19:29 PM
#25
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1-Don't copy paste the DPS chart as it is incomplete. While outdated, this is what you should copypaste if you want it:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrrrPr20ncdGF4VURuYjVGZXlIN3ptbV8tbzRzN0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0
2-Grens are fine. I advocate that PG needs a vet adjustment.
1- PG could see their vet2 buffs spread out with vet1. Performance gap between vet0 and vet 2 is huge,
2- G43 are fine on Grens. They needs a different role on PGs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrrrPr20ncdGF4VURuYjVGZXlIN3ptbV8tbzRzN0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0
2-Grens are fine. I advocate that PG needs a vet adjustment.
I don't see the problem with Panzergrens, they feel just right imo.
G43's could use a buff, that's about it.
1- PG could see their vet2 buffs spread out with vet1. Performance gap between vet0 and vet 2 is huge,
2- G43 are fine on Grens. They needs a different role on PGs.
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10 Oct 2015, 19:49 PM
#26
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G43 are fine on Grens. They needs a different role on PGs.
I'm in favour of giving PG's a single Jäger G43 instead. Grenadier version is indeed fine as-is.
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10 Oct 2015, 20:28 PM
#27
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I'm in favour of giving PG's a single Jäger G43 instead. Grenadier version is indeed fine as-is.
If they just gave sight like PFs' G43s I'd probably get at least one.
Still be an upgrade with pretty noticeable disadvantages...but hey, sight!
10 Oct 2015, 23:39 PM
#28
Posts: 1164
Grens getting 3 vet pzgrens 2 vet. Imo no buffs for both squds needed. Grens are fine inf killers they are supposed to be glasscanon, they aren't meatsield. Pzgrens fine elite inf squad. Just stop crying guys.
grens are useless late game. mgs are useless late game. ostwinds/p4s get countered by every medium tank or a single AT gun. there is no way for ostheer to handle a late game blob with veterancy.
10 Oct 2015, 23:55 PM
#29
Posts: 46
grens are useless late game. mgs are useless late game. ostwinds/p4s get countered by every medium tank or a single AT gun. there is no way for ostheer to handle a late game blob with veterancy.
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11 Oct 2015, 00:14 AM
#30
Posts: 465
grens do not need a 5th man. with the lmg upgrade. they dominate on open maps and they have great vet.
P Grens are quite good. its just that no1 notices it cause they always upgrade them to double shrecks
Assault grens on the other hand. thats where the love should go
P Grens are quite good. its just that no1 notices it cause they always upgrade them to double shrecks
Assault grens on the other hand. thats where the love should go
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11 Oct 2015, 00:20 AM
#31
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Inb4
"Mines and flank!"
it's smoke and flank though ;-)
11 Oct 2015, 00:45 AM
#32
Posts: 362
They don't need a fifth man. That said, I think their veterancy bonuses should be on-par with Allied infantry units. Riflemen have much better bonuses right now, and I'm not sure that should be the case.
11 Oct 2015, 00:50 AM
#33
Posts: 1930
They don't need a fifth man. That said, I think their veterancy bonuses should be on-par with Allied infantry units. Riflemen have much better bonuses right now, and I'm not sure that should be the case.
this back and forth buff needs to stop.
11 Oct 2015, 01:04 AM
#34
Posts: 622
all German infantry bonus need to be look at. right now allied infantry vet bonus is so strong the late game blob is almost unstoppable, HMG crew died so fast without doing much suppression. also i think allied rifle man need smoke nade removed, late game rifle blob with their smoke and bazooka, i find it really hard to defend against it.
11 Oct 2015, 01:23 AM
#35
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all German infantry bonus need to be look at. right now allied infantry vet bonus is so strong the late game blob is almost unstoppable, HMG crew died so fast without doing much suppression. also i think allied rifle man need smoke nade removed, late game rifle blob with their smoke and bazooka, i find it really hard to defend against it.
First off, the vet buffs didn't increase DPS. Second, removing that would be like just removing Cons' Oorah! - it is incredibly defining to the unit.
11 Oct 2015, 02:20 AM
#36
Posts: 66
Grenadiers already get huge vet2 and vet3 bonusses. They are not very durable but if you keep them healed and retreat soon enough with secured retreat path ...
Which means they cannot stay in the fight and give ground EARLIER or GET WIPED. Either way they are more ineffective. Thanks for making our point....
11 Oct 2015, 03:41 AM
#37
Posts: 1930
Which means they cannot stay in the fight and give ground EARLIER or GET WIPED. Either way they are more ineffective. Thanks for making our point....
grenadier get medkit at vet1. With enough munition and a halftrack axis can stay on the field as long as they don't retreat.
20 munition per medkit is a bit expensive, however. 15 or 10 mu for medkit would be a better price for them.
11 Oct 2015, 04:20 AM
#38
Posts: 1384
Axis have slightly weaker infantry.
Allies have slightly weaker vehicles.
Whoa.
Allies have slightly weaker vehicles.
Whoa.
11 Oct 2015, 07:12 AM
#39
Posts: 362
Axis have slightly weaker infantry.But the Allies (Brits excepted) also tend to have numerical superiority, especially relative to the Wehrmacht.
Allies have slightly weaker vehicles.
Whoa.
11 Oct 2015, 08:04 AM
#40
Posts: 46
allies dont necessarily have weaker vehicles with the addition of the brits especially
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