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Conscript change.

28 Jun 2020, 22:35 PM
#1
avatar of DerKuhlmann

Posts: 469

3-4 conscripts simply dominate early game too much for their low cost and utility.

And Conscripts are too efficient at trading early game. They also have too much customize ability and utility to just be a 240 manpower squad.

So i suggest.

Increase to 250 manpower and reinforcement cost increase which gets removed at t4 just like Ostheer.
28 Jun 2020, 22:43 PM
#3
avatar of Baba

Posts: 600

no thanks, may be a thing in 1v1 but not in 2v2 upwards
28 Jun 2020, 22:49 PM
#4
avatar of Mr. Someguy

Posts: 4928

Conscripts are too efficient? I thought the consensus was that they bleed too much.
28 Jun 2020, 23:03 PM
#5
avatar of distrofio

Posts: 2358

The only forecasted change for cons is bundling molos and atnades.
28 Jun 2020, 23:05 PM
#6
avatar of thedarkarmadillo

Posts: 5279

They cost 240mp, and then an extra 80mp for molitovs and another 125mp more for at nades.
3-4 cons kitted out cost 280-270mp depending on if there are 3 or 4. Hardly cheap.
29 Jun 2020, 00:33 AM
#7
avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

Posts: 3588 | Subs: 3

Yeah try facing a good Osttruppen Ostheer player and see how well Cons do in the early game.
29 Jun 2020, 02:50 AM
#8
avatar of SuperHansFan

Posts: 833

Got any replays to back that up?
29 Jun 2020, 03:30 AM
#9
avatar of Clarity

Posts: 479

Vanilla Cons are definitely fine, SVT upgrades probably come slightly too early and 7-man is probably still slightly too strong but the issue is Cons are awful against infantry with upgrades which is why they rely so hard on the T-70 to carry the mid-game. 7-man could probably come earlier if it was toned down a bit to compensate.
29 Jun 2020, 04:17 AM
#10
avatar of Serrith

Posts: 783

Stock cons do NOT "dominate" in the early game in any game mode except AI stomping.
29 Jun 2020, 04:19 AM
#11
avatar of Grumpy

Posts: 1954

jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jun 2020, 03:30 AMClarity
Vanilla Cons are definitely fine, SVT upgrades probably come slightly too early and 7-man is probably still slightly too strong but the issue is Cons are awful against infantry with upgrades which is why they rely so hard on the T-70 to carry the mid-game. 7-man could probably come earlier if it was toned down a bit to compensate.


Mobilize reserves were already nerfed.
(from patch notes)
Mobilize Reserve reinforce reduction from 3 to 2; changes reinforce cost from 17 to 18
Reload cover bonus from the Mobilize Reserves has been removed.

The nerfed mobilize reserves should be free at T3 and a paid upgrade with T1 or T2.
Also, the grenade side tech costs make cons too expensive, especially if you only get a couple of them. Soviets don't get free officers like USF or free side tech like Ost and OKW. It seems like their grenade unlocks should either be much cheaper or free.
29 Jun 2020, 07:00 AM
#12
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17908 | Subs: 8

3-4 conscripts simply dominate early game too much for their low cost and utility.

And Conscripts are too efficient at trading early game. They also have too much customize ability and utility to just be a 240 manpower squad.

So i suggest.

Increase to 250 manpower and reinforcement cost increase which gets removed at t4 just like Ostheer.

Yeaaa, sorry, 2 volks and a kubel aren't going to beat 4 cons.
You need to do better.
29 Jun 2020, 07:01 AM
#13
avatar of dasheepeh

Posts: 2115 | Subs: 1

Player card?


where's yours?
29 Jun 2020, 19:12 PM
#14
avatar of IncendiaryRounds:)

Posts: 1527

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Cons are probably the only balanced mainline infantry in the game atm. Still no consensus on whether the 7man is in a good spot but I believe the 7man upgrade is not far off the mark.
29 Jun 2020, 20:24 PM
#15
avatar of adamírcz

Posts: 955

"Cons early game too efficient"

Wow, now Ive seen everything

Truly nothing more can surprise me on these forums
29 Jun 2020, 22:24 PM
#16
avatar of Aerohank

Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1

Soviets get 4 conscripts because T2 openings are too expensive and T1 leaves you without hard AT. Then even with 4 of these 'dominating' conscripts, they still crutch super hard on the OP T70 to make up for the drop-off of effectiveness after the 4 minute mark when STG/LMGs/grenades start rolling out for the axis when their own upgrade is locked behind T4.
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