You should definitively play Allied side to see new strategies (or watch top50 replays if there are any). I top rank 40/50 in 2vs2 random with USF and the teams I met don't play like that. I barely see elefants to be honest and the peak for Ostheer is definitively around the T2 with mastering the use of the 251 to reinforce units on the field.
Once you master the use of the 251, 4men squad grenadiers are nothing of a problem and you can understand how 5men squad gren or pio would become one here (without a specific dotrine).
Imo, Ostheer in 2vs2 is about building a solid T2 with dual pak, sniper, 251 to reinforce on the field, good micro on your HMG42 and the doctrine you like the most to complete that.
I wish I can play Allies, my other teammate is anal axis only and doesn't wanna try Allies + I don't play with random teammate. And I'm not sure because I did fight against top 10 => top 100, mostly Allies I just meet combo like I said ( explains why I'm going Ostwind to counter USF Airborne skill plane ).
And not just my team, most replay of 2vs2 on tighrope channel all have Elefant :\, it's 2vs2 meta for Axis at least.
I agree with your 251 point ( my replay casting by tightrope always see me playing with 251 ), but the problem is still present that my Grenadier is still 4 man squad, still hard to steal crew weapons, easier to get wiped because of lower models count ( and I need to get vet 3 in order for the -20% damaged )
Going dual pak in later game will be meet with Pack Howziter from USF, M8 Scout or Katchusa which all are good AoE anti-crew weapons so I'm not sure I wanna go 2 of them, but your point about Sniper + 251 is on point like me.
P/S: Like I said, 5 man Gren with penalty of 5x kar98k only doesn't increase in firepower, only in survival - crew weapon pickup only and Soviet can do the same with their M5 Halftrack if they want to
Or you don't care to rank up at some point and you play offmeta knowing you might lose. It all depends on what objectives you have. If you know and understand that you are handicapping yourself you won't be salty if you lose.
Haha yeah no thank you
, totally understand your point but right now I rather stick with my Elefant + OKW combo in 2vs2
, it's boring play but it's working!
I mean right now the patch I feel is almost perfect beside my personal ranting of 5 man grenadier non doctrine squad + The infantry sections feeling OP atm.
And tone down MG42 to Maxim stats (and make it 5 men too)
+ give Soviets non Doc conscrtipts 2x DP-28 upgrade and make T34-85 non doc.
OST is build on support weapons. 5-men grens without nerfing all another stuf will break game.
Yeah I don't mind tone down the MG42, it's the best MG in the game I think, and the point about non doc conscript DP28 is cool but I think 1 is enough, T34-85 might be a bit much consider SU already got SU85 which is already the best TD Allies ever have ( based on the increase sight range ability )
About the OST build on support weapons idk man, right now the Allies got better support weapons compare to Ostheer ( USF Pack Howziter, SU AT Gun that can shoot barrage, SU Mortar which can fire flare ), idk I feel like the only good support Ostheer have is the MG42.