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Ass gren buff

14 Feb 2020, 10:37 AM
#1
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

Posts: 678

Here's an idea for a buff for A grens.

Their current base RA/TS is 0.95
vet1: 0.935 RA (-6.5%)
vet2: 0.75 cd (-25%), 0.71 RA(-29%)
vet3: 1.4 acc(+40%), 1.25 grenade range(+25%)

6th man upgrade has 0.95 RA modifier (-5%)

What I want to do is shuffle their vet and base RA little bit

Base RA: 0.91 (same as grens)
vet1: 0.9 RA (-10%)
vet2: 1.25 acc(+25%), 0.75 cd(-25%)
vet3: 1.12 acc(+12%)(making +40% overall), 0.77 RA(-23%), 1.25 grenade range(+25%)

6th man upgrade does the same thing

The old RA values 5 man: 0.95*0.935*0.71 = 0.6306575
The new RA values 5 man: 0.91*0.9*0.77 = 0.6306300

this will give the ass gren a bit more immediate durability and keep their performance the same.
At vet 1 they will e quit a fair bit more tanky than before. At vet 2 they will be 30% less tankier but have +36% more dps.
14 Feb 2020, 13:21 PM
#2
avatar of FK9DD

Posts: 65

yeah,buffing assault grenadiers,what a great idea,why nobody thought it before?Just wow
And their dps clearly lacking,i advise make a buff even better,lets say twiсe their dps?Yeah,that's perfect
14 Feb 2020, 13:45 PM
#3
avatar of Stug life

Posts: 4203

mmmmhhhh weren't u saying assgren were op like 3 weeks ago ?
14 Feb 2020, 14:13 PM
#4
avatar of DerbyHat

Posts: 1130 | Subs: 2

They don't need a buff, they have sprint to make up for most of their weaknesses.

I'd like to see the 6 men upgrade being an earlier option though, they can get blindsided by Thompson Assault Sections and Flamethrower Assault Engineers early on before 6 men. T2 might be too soon, but Lago's tech suggestion could work.
14 Feb 2020, 15:05 PM
#5
avatar of Vipper

Posts: 7118 | Subs: 1

They don't need a buff, they have sprint to make up for most of their weaknesses.

I'd like to see the 6 men upgrade being an earlier option though, they can get blindsided by Thompson Assault Sections and Flamethrower Assault Engineers early on before 6 men. T2 might be too soon, but Lago's tech suggestion could work.

I do not like the 6 men upgrade...I would rather try 2 ST44 upgrade...
14 Feb 2020, 15:15 PM
#6
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

Posts: 678

mmmmhhhh weren't u saying assgren were op like 3 weeks ago ?

I never said they were. You were. I'm sorry that you are dumb.
14 Feb 2020, 15:17 PM
#7
avatar of EtherealDragon

Posts: 1464 | Subs: 1

Early lower RA would be a baaaad idea IMO. They already dominate mainline infantry early on if you use them properly (IE don't charge in from long distances). If you lower RA at Vet 0 they become a lot more oppressive vs. Tommies and Conscripts particularly.
14 Feb 2020, 15:23 PM
#8
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

Posts: 678

jump backJump back to quoted post14 Feb 2020, 13:21 PMFK9DD
yeah,buffing assault grenadiers,what a great idea,why nobody thought it before?Just wow
And their dps clearly lacking,i advise make a buff even better,lets say twiсe their dps?Yeah,that's perfect

look at this:
https://imgur.com/a/rGB4I8S

Does it look like they have a ton of dps?????
14 Feb 2020, 15:26 PM
#9
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 14284 | Subs: 7


look at this:
https://imgur.com/a/rGB4I8S

Does it look like they have a ton of dps?????

Good think they have sprint to not lose models on approach and nade assault to instakill squad if you don't react on time/are ambushed.

Last I've checked, that other squad didn't had those.

But we can ignore facts and live in imaginationland if you insist.
14 Feb 2020, 15:34 PM
#10
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

Posts: 678

jump backJump back to quoted post14 Feb 2020, 15:26 PMKatitof

Good think they have sprint to not lose models on approach and nade assault to instakill squad if you don't react on time/are ambushed.

Last I've checked, that other squad didn't had those.

But we can ignore facts and live in imaginationland if you insist.

unlike you i don't imagine people saying what i only understand and if they don't i can't accept.
14 Feb 2020, 15:37 PM
#11
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 14284 | Subs: 7


unlike you i don't imagine people saying what i only understand and if they don't i can't accept.


How about that: Yes, 50+ is a TON of DPS in the first minute.
14 Feb 2020, 15:53 PM
#12
avatar of DerbyHat

Posts: 1130 | Subs: 2


look at this:
https://imgur.com/a/rGB4I8S

Does it look like they have a ton of dps?????


Can you link the site / sheet you used for those graphs to me please?
14 Feb 2020, 15:56 PM
#13
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

Posts: 678

jump backJump back to quoted post14 Feb 2020, 15:37 PMKatitof


How about that: Yes, 50+ is a TON of DPS in the first minute.

Not as much as +65.
14 Feb 2020, 15:59 PM
#14
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

Posts: 678



Can you link the site / sheet you used for those graphs to me please?

Generated from in games stats.
14 Feb 2020, 17:45 PM
#15
avatar of IncendiaryRounds:)

Posts: 1267

agrens are fine. What should (but unfortunately won't) happen is that rifles and volks have all their changes reverted to their previous patch. Then give volks a REAL nerf - remove sandbags and put their 0.9 RA from vet 1 to vet 2. Rifles are overperforming against agrens the most.
14 Feb 2020, 18:00 PM
#16
avatar of Stormjäger

Posts: 1641

Then give volks a REAL nerf - remove sandbags and put their 0.9 RA from vet 1 to vet 2.


Lmao
14 Feb 2020, 18:09 PM
#17
avatar of LoopDloop

Posts: 2783

jump backJump back to quoted post14 Feb 2020, 15:05 PMVipper

I do not like the 6 men upgrade...I would rather try 2 ST44 upgrade...

Meanwhile giving thompsons to anything is wildly OP...

Also assgrens are fine lmao. 0cp 5-man assault unit with sprint.
14 Feb 2020, 18:27 PM
#18
avatar of blvckdream

Posts: 1789

agrens are fine. What should (but unfortunately won't) happen is that rifles and volks have all their changes reverted to their previous patch. Then give volks a REAL nerf - remove sandbags and put their 0.9 RA from vet 1 to vet 2. Rifles are overperforming against agrens the most.


Give Volks a real nerf? When they are already getting abused by Allied infantry? Why?
14 Feb 2020, 18:40 PM
#19
avatar of Vipper

Posts: 7118 | Subs: 1


Meanwhile giving thompsons to anything is wildly OP...

Since that seem to be trend, now days one could apply the same logic to Ass.Gren also instead of the weird 6 man upgrade.

14 Feb 2020, 18:48 PM
#20
avatar of Fire and Terror

Posts: 125

assgren sacrifice good scaling for a early game punch, they can basically sprint to cons in green cover and win by a large margin, just dont get caught in 2vs1 fights.

and mg42 + assgrens bodyguards is very hard to deal with in the first minutes, since you basically cant flank it.

So a buff to them is a big no from my side, they have to scale worse in order to balance their early game punch
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