Then I suppose elves put all these axis games on my playercard. 
Just because you can't bear the thought of playing other faction doesn't mean everyone is equally attached to a single army.
I really dont care about playercards anyway as its just useless epeen. can show mine but their is an issue 2 other people play this game on my account. But your bias is annoying as is your lack of understanding. if you look on the coh 2 charts is abundantly clear that the e8 have not only excellent AI or but also enough AT to replace the TD's and its something you often see in 1vs1 games. this is in stark contrast to the p4 wo cannot scratch the paint of the is or kv1 expect when he is lucky.
and the p4 losing to the kv1 and is 2 winning easily from the p4 is good balance and spare me your tales of how you used your p4 to destroy a kv1 or is2 because its bs. its not good balance when the slighty more expensive allied medium tanks can destroy german heavies and even the panther which is a dedicated TD. spamming e8 or 85 have no drawbacks what so ever. This is in stark contrast to the okw and ost where combined arms within tanks is mandatory to win. |
Um ya ok buddy, you make no sense and need in all honesty l2p. Take my advice and win or simply keep losing and blame those "imbalanced" and "broken" units as you do so well........
Of course you dont understand it because your not on my level. |
Why does everyone say Ost T4 is bad? The Pwerfer was awesome these last few patches. Maybe if all the embittered diehard ost fans had pulled heir collective heads out of the sand and realized it had the same damage profile as the 'mad OP' katty with a much tighter, faster barrage, they could have had the fun I was having with that little beauty.
Especially hidden in a forwards spot to counter-battaery kattys and watch them get gibbed by my now shiny vet 2/3 werfer.
Panther still needs to be the same as the Ost one, but meh. Werfer was- and maybe still is- worth T4 in long 2v2 games.
WTF? have you seen the teching cost and what you get for it? |
Actually, I do.
I don't see a single reason NOT to go major and if I go for it, having scott and jackson have no downsides.
I strongly believe ez8 is overrated.
For SU-85, I do use that as well and I'm not the only one, but you need to use advanced warfare doctrine or counterattack doctrine to have some kind of spotter armor that will also deter flanks.
You need 2 shrecked volks or 1 shrecked pgrens and 1 pak or 2 paks to completely deter use of ez8 and you don't see sov T4 with guard motor, because the cost of call-in is completely prohibitive to make anything else, was it single call-in you'd see much more diverse army comps.
And regarding your last line, yea, thats exactly why you don't work on any games balance.
I doubt you see the issue as you dont even play axis. and the e8 is not overrated just look at the statistics. their penetration is nearly as great as the jacksons. |
First of all getting 2 paks in a game is a basic necessity, I dont know how you play or what games you play (1v1,2v2 ect)but having less than 2 paks in 2v2 upwards is just silly and asking for trouble. Not having paks and just waiting around for your own armor = a loss against even a half decent allied player.
Secondly T85s or E8 are not Tigers or IS2s they go down easily, (again if you have paks and a single tank anything from a stug upwards), if your enemy has a horde of them, well you have already made massive mistakes in the game and deserve to lose.
As OKW a raketen will take down both tanks so easily when backed up with volks and shrecks, I dont understand how this is an issue for you?
PS Ever hear of teller mines?
What a bunch of useless nonsense. Counters x unit is newbie level of thinking, You can say use 2 paks but that has consequences as MP is diverted from AI to AT. it forces you to be much more defensive and you cannot put as many squads out on the field as your opponent.
Right now im looking at the e8 and 85 as an imbalance as they can do far more then they are worth. Its a matter of economics. |
No, they don't, not even close.
Thing is, its always better to have numerous medium tanks then a single heavy. The firepower of multiple tanks alone is good enough reason. Thats why T34/85 was always more popular then IS-2.
There is also the extremely dated axis players mindset that if their tank got more then 200 armor it should roflstomp everything below IS-2.
Heavy tanks are strong and potent, but they won't stop the tank force of greater fuel cost, especially if its bolstered by doctrinal abilities like mark target and this have nothing to do with T34/85 or EZ8 price, but the axis mindset that "superior kurtz steel should not need any AT support".
Completely missing the point again. Tell me katitof do you see many jacksons or su85? no you dont because 85 and e8 have taken their jobs. which is a rather massive imbalance . generalist tanks need to be decent at their jobs not take the role of a dedicated TD or AI. if it was up to me i would jack these tanks up to 175 fuel given their worth. |
Why? Because of
1)CP and late income time = battlefield with Heavy tanks.
2)High fuel cost (not per unit , I agree that it is cheap as per unit).
Heavy tanks is not an argument you got TD's for that but they are not used because the 85 and e8 take their roles. this game is also becoming boring as fuck because of it. nearly 99% of all the soviets and ami take the e8 and 85 commanders and you use a build specifically to counter this. Other doctrine that could ad so much debt and strategy to this game are currently not viable.
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Just because we can see them now, does not mean that these documents were made for propoganda purposes. No, that is wrong, these documents are specifically for the red army, and the red army concluded, that the F34 gun of the t-34 was not adequate againts tigers or panthers. That is why they introduced the 85mm gun on their T-34s, probaly because of these tests which showed that the 85mm is very effective againts tigers, and decent againts panthers.
Actually its a myth that the t-34-85 was created to defeat panthers and tigers. the 85 was actually designed to counter the stug and a p4. was the 85 able to penetrate the tiger and panther? yes. but equipping the t-34 with an 85 mm had some serious drawbacks. but all and all it was an improvement over the t-34. |
And why relic got to do that? Dom't see tje point. 120 pen is nothing wrong to fight Ostwind and Pz4, but T34|85 come lategame and supposed to fight heavy tanks. I know the unit itself is good, but there are many viable counters to it.
Why should it counter heavy tanks? you got tank destroyers for that. and if it counters heavy tanks and be IA shouldnt it be 175 like the panther? |
"T34/76 is a joke against other armor" lolz are you loco bro? To you sir as you so nicely put it yourself, "Come back once you know how units actually work"........
As for the OP, hmmmm ya T85s are extremely strong in a good players hands, but can be easily countered with 2 paks and a medium tank, just learn to use units in concert with one another man.
You do realise that your counter cost 3 times more mp right?
The problem with both the t-34-85 and the e8 is that they over perform as AT tanks. if you look at the penetration rates both the e-8 and the t-34-85 nearly rivals that of the ami and soviet dedicated tank destroyers. So its easily capable of replacing either the jackson or the su85. Thats why you see the fucking spam: they are nearly as good as dedicated AI or AT tanks. The label jack of all trades cannot be applied to them. in sufficient numbers they become the master of all trades.
Increasing the fuel for these tanks will change nothing. i suggest we keep the fuel the same but decrease the penetration of both call ins to 120. |
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