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Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback5 Jan 2021, 21:36 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 21:28 PMKatitof The medic change will have anything near noticable impact almost exclusively in blob warfeare where you mass retreat constantly. Soviets will benefit from the change barely more then any other faction... Yes I agree with this. I also don't think that the change will have a huge impact. Yes, Soviet squads usually retreat with more men than Axis squads, but in the end that additional guy now gets healed probably only a couple of seconds quicker. Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 21:28 PMKatitof It keeps selected squad on field longer. It does not keep your actual map presence topped of. Its similar in micro scale(you want X squad to have all models back on field) and completely different in macro scale(you want all of your infantry to have max number of models on field without retreating them). That's fundamental difference. Of course it keeps map presence up, because you can keep the most valuable units on the field. An FRP does not allow you to keep your high value unit on the field all the time, it just minimizes downtime for all units. Merge allows shifting of downtime from an important to an unimportant unit. But it is usually better to keep your vet3 ATG/stolen MG42 on the field than the vet0 Conscript that would lose the next fight anyway. The exact mechanic is different, but the function (read the result) is the same. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback5 Jan 2021, 21:26 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 21:23 PMVipper I am not sure what you are arguing, that live tech gives better bonuses and is cheaper? What I have said and will say it again is that Soviet tech does not need to become cheaper the preview already has buffed Soviet tech. No, I never said this a even single time. I disprove your point that Soviet tech is getting cheaper. You can simply answer my points, that's all there is. You can repeat that it were cheaper, that's not in line with the changes of the preview though. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback5 Jan 2021, 21:24 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 20:56 PMKatitof They also take more casualties then others, its easier to hit 6 man squad with nuclear nade then 4 man squad with lolotov. This must be balanced by reinforcement cost, not healing. Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 20:56 PMKatitof Merge isn't forward reinforcement, even if you were trying to spin that for next 100 years, it will still not be forward reinforcement. It was intended that way though and is Soviets best way to keep team weapons on the field. Merge functionally replaces an FRP. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback5 Jan 2021, 21:08 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 20:32 PMVipper Soviet unit with larger number of entities benefit the most from healing and it also cheaper only for soviet. You could also argue that Soviets suffered the most from squad sizes regarding healing. However I agree that Soviets healing was mostly fine before, apart from some medics getting stuck on models. The change does lead to faster healing, in reality though you will only get your unit out a couple of seconds faster and then again ONLY IF you sit in the base to send them out the very moment they are healed. What actually happens is that you reinforce your squad by spamming the button, then come back half a minute or so later to send all squads out that are fine. Mostly they have been idle for some time anyway, even at top level play. Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 20:32 PMVipper There is since 5 arrives earlier and can heal up very fast. Soviet get faster on field and healing and still have merge So M5 was fine before and you want that unit back? Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 20:32 PMVipper The T3 tech has been reduce by 20 and AT grenades/molotovs no longer required. The upgrade is superior since now it includes Penal and it has become available earlier in T3 from live T3 has been reduced by 10. Also nobody ever bought it at T3 before. The current changes COULD at least make it a viable early choice as clearly originally intended. Which would also increase total Soviet tech cost. Worst case is that having it so early makes it OP, but then again it finally delays the T70 by about a minute (so a weaker T70 would come even later than in live). Best case we have a decent trade off for decision making. Neutral case it is still not worth it and no one buys it, which means it does not change anything. The Penal point I have already covered. Penals get buffed by MR (as needed, the extend needs to be evaluated ones the patch is live. Also this makes sense since ALL Soviet side tech is currently focused on Cons only), with no change to Conscripts Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 20:32 PMVipper Healing is cheaper and molotov/AT grenade bundle now has a discount. literally no one bought a molotov unless you are floating heavily. Making OKW T1 200 MP more expensive and unlocking FRP directly with that would also not be a buff. Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 20:32 PMVipper The tech is superior (faster T1/MR affect Penal/Healing is faster/T3 earlier) and cheaper. Is that a major buff? probably not but will see. Adding more buffs making even cheaper as suggested is simply not needed. Again, T1 build time affects exactly the very first Penal and only that one. I even just checked and the second Penal was 50 MP (about 10 sec) away once the first once finished. This amount will increase since you get the first Penal earlier and pay upkeep, plus/minus some map dependent variation. Second/Third Penal are therefore gated by resources, not by the time you need to get T1 up. I assume the best case for Soviets here is that the first Penal comes 8 secs earlier, the second one maybe 1-2 secs, but potentially even slightly later. For double pio builds the second Penal will always come at the same time as of now. With your logic USF got a HUGE nerf to their last tier timing when T1/2 where split into base building+upgrade, because now base building+upgrade take longer than the T1/2 previously. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback5 Jan 2021, 19:38 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 18:21 PMVipper That are not the only change, look 1220 for the changes. Changes include faster T1, lower cost and better healing, faster T3 with, better Mobilize reserves that is available 40 fuel earlier from t3... Soviet tech is stronger not weaker in the preview The only point I have made is that Soviet tect does not need to become cheaper as some users have suggested. Check post 1183 Yes, minimally faster T1 that will affect the first unit only and only if you do not build a second engineer. Better healing - true that, similar to other factions Faster T3 - minimally faster with a nerfed/retimed T70. There is no added power to this as long as the T70 nerf compensates for 5 fuel, which it does. As I said, the option is to keep the M5 and SU76 useless, which you seem to be arguing for if you want to keep the old system. MR: How is it 40 fuel earlier? At the very best, it comes 5 fuel from the AT/molo bundle + 10 fuel from T3 earlier, or did I miss something? Also calling it "better" is misleading. Conscript builds do not benefit at all (these builds rather got nerfed), so the "better" MR does not add any benefit. Penals now get benefit of reinforcement cost and veterancy gain (if I am not mistaken since I find the notes quite confusing about this). But I assume that this is not worth it spending resources at T3 (heck, the reinforcement benefit will never pay MR back until T4). So at this point it is more like a global buff to Penals at T4, similar to Ostheer. Penals needed some kind of buffs (or technically yes you could nerf everything else, but let's face the facts and work with buffs since this is what we got and get), since they were just not viable and bleed even harder than grenadiers. And please show how Soviet tech became cheaper. There was a bit of fuel shuffling, but even that not in large amounts. If you seriously want to count in molotovs to end up at a 5 fuel cheaper cost, than this discussion about that is rather pointless since those were simply not worth getting. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Run and Gun5 Jan 2021, 19:17 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 18:52 PMVipper You forgot M3A3 M3 M5. Smgs are effected by accuracy but they are still more effective than other weapons in drive by due to high fire rate. I meantioned M3, and I have never seen any semi-competent player run at me with an M5 at the time where ATGs, Pumas, 222s, Fausts and Mines are readily available. The strats you are referring to are solely 2-5 minute glass cannon builds after which you will lose your unit. So how does it matter if the DPS gets dropped by an arbitrary amount by accuracy or cooldown, except for maybe a flamer? How for SMGs? It literally does not matter at all. In: Lobby
Thread: Run and Gun5 Jan 2021, 18:45 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 18:24 PMVipper I mean flamer, smg,... The changes has to do with penalties that apply to the passenger (which is mostly accuracy) not the weapon themselves. Flamers I could see, but I don't think it is worth the effort since we are basically talking about only 3 units (M3, WC51 or how the dodge truck is called, and 250), two of which are doctrinal. SMGs are already 100% affected since their accuracy never reaches above 1. Where is the benefit of that? In: Lobby
Thread: Run and Gun5 Jan 2021, 18:04 PM I assume you mean PTRS? This would mean a complete rework of many weapon delays. Otherwise Schrecks for example would suddenly not be touched at all. In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback5 Jan 2021, 17:59 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 16:58 PMVipper So in a real game, T3 comes about 10 fuel and 50 MP earlier at best and 5 fuel and 25 MP earlier at worst (depending on when you purchase AT nades), whereas you pay 25 MP less and 5 fuel more for T4. This is a minimal buff to teching. But what is the argument? Teching for just teching is complete bullshit. There is no point in teching for its own sake. T3 units come earlier, which is likely a necessary buff for the SU76 and the M5 which at least might have the chance to make them more attractive), while the T70 got a rightful nerf to justify it coming a bit earlier. The only issue that can still arise is if the T70 were STILL too strong, which to be honest I cannot judge. Otherwise you are arguing for keeping the SU76 and M5 as units that are not even niche, but absolutely useless. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] General Discussion5 Jan 2021, 17:47 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2021, 16:37 PMSander93 The team opted to exclude the Puma, the AEC and the Panther because they deal decent AI damage. Though I would personally like to see them added too. Thanks for the quick answer. But prioritize vehicles does not disable MGs, or was anything changed? If some other people here of the community agree with me, would you please pass forward to the rest of the team to add the Panther as well? First, the gun's damage is quite abysemal, second, the setting should be set to where the unit performs best in. And nobody buys a Panther to use the gun for shooting at infantry. I don't want to blow this out of proportion since it is a rather small change overall, but it will be hella confusing if SU85 and JP4 have it but Panther not. Especially because has literally the AoE of a SU85 with higher scatter, or abysmally better AoE than a JP4 with the same scatter (see below, in first picture the line of SU85 is directly below the Panther and therefore not visible). In: COH2 Balance