The issue is chasedown wipes, not DPS.
Numbers do not seem to support you claim
Moving DPS 20/35
Penals
10.5/6.3
PF
11.6/7.6
110%/120% more for 80 munition does not seem a good investment. Again 2 G43 for 80 munition would make the upgrade and unit not worth it. |
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I'm not saying Jackson isn't OP, but what you expose here isn't really what makes it OP. What makes it OP is the need to fulfill 2 roles, countering medium tanks and countering heavy tanks.
We'd all love to have a solution to make it more dedicated to one or the other role but that's not possible until Relic move on and bring a solution on USF roaster.
No what makes it OP is that it is OP in both roles. It is OP vs mediums (being able to hit and penetrate with very high chance even at 60 range and moving) and it is OP vs super heavies. Part of the reason why super heavies where buffed was that TDs where OP against them in large, while one could start by nerfing these TDs.
And thing become even worse with veterancy.
The "theory" the USF roaster is the issue hold no water. There many solution of nerfing the M36 that would probably cause little issues. Reverting the gun changes could be an "safe" solution making the M36 less effective vs mediums.
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When did that happen?
Paying 80 mu for 2 g43 would make it one of the worse upgrade in game...
And as I have pointed out usage of PF in the last tournament indicates that PF are UP in their role as alternative mainline.
But this thread is about their snare and not their overall balance.
Panzerfüssiliers UP now? I have heard it all on COH2.org.
I wonder what Vipper's opinion was if Panzerfüssiliers were an Allied unit.
So just to summarize: a unit that has 6 man, 3 G43s, longest snare in coh2, grenade without call out, flare, sprint, cheap reinforce cost and overall much stronger combat performance than Volks are considered UP.
Vipper time and time argues that Penals are OP but at the same time thinks Panzerfüssiliers, which are objectively just better, are UP. This must be the absolute definition of ridiculous double standards.
Copied from another thread since that one was about the Panzerfüssilier's snare.
First of all if you are going to respond to me read what I have written.
Second if in your opinion PF, are so good, in their role as alternative mainline pls explain why, in your opinion, so few where used in the last tournament.
Finnaly you are going tp compare Penals and g43 PF pls at least try avoid having double standards and try to take into account cost, timing and commander ability slot. |
This is simply incorrect. The purpose of the unit is to counter heavies and meds, because faction lacks intermediate medium AT vehicle which all other factions except UKF got.
I suggest opening a dictionary and find the difference between "absolutely dominate" and counter.
I also suggest that drop your little crusade of trying to prove everything I post as wrong, it is not going well for you. |
Well, its your opinion, not metrics supported fact.
Actually fact support my opinion:
"Heat shell" force reload, cost 30 and does 80 damage
A single Tulip Rocket slow normal fire less ,cost 40 munition and does 120 damage (160 vet 3)
The main difference is the mechanism of aiming.
Even other members of community have pointed out that "heat rounds" are currently UP.
Its not like StuG needs to fight 350+ armor vehicles you know.
Read more carefully I was not referring to M36's "T30E16 HVAP-T Armor Piercing Rounds".
Now can you pls stop sinking more into the rabbits hole while drugging the tread with you? This thread is about the penetration vet bonuses and not about "I am katitof and I never make mistakes". |
Huh? How are heat shells UP? A lot more pen, more damage, fairly cheap and last half a minute (I think). What’s bad about them?
PLS make sure to read and understand before jumping in.
The "heat rounds" we debating here is the stug's vet 1 ability and not the okw doctrinal ability. |
Yes I’m top 100 okw in 1v1 and biased against my fav faction.
You do realize you can argue against something without claiming bias, right?
Also max range G43 dps was buffed with the G43 changes, I doubt they lose at max range.
When did that happen?
Paying 80 mu for 2 g43 would make it one of the worse upgrade in game...
And as I have pointed out usage of PF in the last tournament indicates that PF are UP in their role as alternative mainline.
But this thread is about their snare and not their overall balance. |
Pay attention before screaming random things.
Shrecks doesn't exactly need long aim time and contrary to PTRS, you can easily get off a volley before vehicle gets close to you, taking it down to snare threshold.
And G43 already got sufficient snare and have no excuse to use anything else.
Such big brains, so little room for common sense.
Actually you are the one "screaming random things".
Install the game and you will see that Axis schrek units do not have access to snares contrary to allied infantry.
Comparing allied AT sqauds with access to snares with Axis AT squad without axis to snares on the basis of snares threshold simply does not make any sense. The first have access to snare they other do not, and in addition AT satchel will snare most vehicles even if PTRS do not fire a single shot...
I suggest that you silently acknowledge that fact that your comments "The moment shrecks will do 40 damage with half of current penetration value, you can have it." " before vehicle gets close to you, taking it down to snare threshold." was off target and simply move on, I have. |
Why would it be any other way?
Its a small fraction of cost on almost half as cheap vehicle.
You attempted to depict "heat shell" (stug's vet 1 ability) as cost efficient compared to Tulips. They are not.
Actually the ability is borderline UP and need to be looked at, especially compared to abilities like the "HVAP M93 Shells".
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The Jackson should absolutely dominate a p4. 4 shots 100% penetration. There is no reason why it shouldn't, it's singular purpose is that alone.
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That is simply incorrect. The purpose of the unit is to counter Super heavies, not "absolutely dominate" mediums.
(edited since to make it more clear since some people like to repeat the same argument.)
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