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Thread: Panzerfüssilier snare range 27 Jan 2020, 23:38 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 20:14 PMelchino7 ... 2-I don't think the unit needs the extended range at all. If the unit wasn't weak early on, i would make it 15 range and have it extend the range to 18 as you say. But as how the unit is ATM, it just needs the vet 2 extended range removed only. 3-The only argument to keep the status quo is if the unit was purposely designed to have this feature as one key element of the unit. ... Not really, the unit is designed to have superior performance with veterancy and even now it hardly more cost efficient than other units of its class like penals. One should not simply remove its vet bonus. If its problematic it should simply replaced by something else. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: jackson armor nerf27 Jan 2020, 23:32 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 19:16 PMFelinewolfie By your logic, a Panther is there to counter heavies. Yes the Panther is to counter Super heavies (but it not very good at it) Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 19:16 PMFelinewolfie So it ought to 100% lose vs a Stuart? As a Panther's purpose is not to counter scout vehicles That is simply a mental gymnastics. It has been argued that M36 should "absolutely dominate" PzIV and I simply pointed that the claim is false. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion27 Jan 2020, 17:42 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 17:41 PMSunTzu #BuffOST keep ost as benchmark, nerf other factions instead... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Panzerfüssiliers balance27 Jan 2020, 17:35 PM Partial conclusion so far: PF are mainline "alternatives" meant to supplement VG not replace them. Penal are also mainline "alternatives" that completely replace conscripts. Does that consequently mean that Penal design is bad as I have pointed out for year? Does not also mean that Penal design (and Soviet) would improve also if they started weaker (with mosin) and where offered weapons upgrades (SVT) similar to G43 PF? Does it also mean that PF would be better designed if PF where given 6 G43s (adjusting DPS) so that their DPS drop off was more linear? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion27 Jan 2020, 17:15 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:49 PMRoastinGhost ... According to the great job made by Siphon X the difference in CP gain (1vs1 to 4vs4) is about 3 minutes. One can probably fix that with adjusting passive CP gain across modes with a minimum other impact. https://www.coh2.org/topic/61229/resource-income-per-game-mode/page/1#post_id609470 In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Panzerfüssiliers balance27 Jan 2020, 16:41 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:32 PMSerrith I dont see the issue with PFs. Even IF they were intended to be replacements for volks-which I doubt since they have different utilities- they still fit other roles very well. The Su76 was changed recently to be more of a light vehicle counter. Yet it's still PRIMARILY used as emergency mobile AT against medium tanks. Well according to some they need to be nerfed. One has suggested to lose the extra snare range vet bonus and another to lose 1 g43... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfüssiliers balance27 Jan 2020, 16:38 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:25 PMRaxzero Definition of "not do that much better.": Cheaper reinforce cost, 25 vs 27 8% cheaper on the other hand Penal can reinforce with up to 17 vis merge which is 32% cheaper. Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:25 PMRaxzero recon option, Utility. Now read my post again: "When it comes to combat, G43 PF come later, need 80 munition, take a commander and even then they are not do that much better." Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:25 PMRaxzero actual grenades, One of the worse in the game. (It would be interesting to see how many damage where inflicted with PF grenades in the last tournament and how much with satchel) Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:25 PMRaxzero much better scaling Compare vet 0 Penal vs PF and then Vet 3 Penal vs vet 3 PF and lets as know what is the difference and on what unit. And keep in mind that PF are meant to be weak at start but scale better than other units. Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:25 PMRaxzero and sprint. Again utility not combat. Finally I do not really see how a vet 5 "ourah" equivelants make them OP In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfüssiliers balance27 Jan 2020, 16:17 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:14 PMblvckdream This is too high IQ for me sorry. Doctrinal unit X is less used than non-doctrinal unit Y, therefore, doctrinal unit X is not that good. 200+ IQ statements were made here. I have responded to the same argument coming from katitof some pages ago. Sorry to see you have dropped to his level. Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:14 PMblvckdream And btw: If you'd play this game you would know Füssiliers are probably more often used than Penals considering most people go Grand Offensive and on the Soviet side Cons into T2. The reason people go for Grand Offensive is the Tiger and not the PF. I play the game just fine (probably more than you) and the reason why people go for conscripts is simply because SVT/7 men are OP... Penal where used almost exclusively before that. When it comes to combat, G43 PF come later, need 80 munition, take a commander and even then they are not do that much better. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfüssiliers balance27 Jan 2020, 16:10 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:04 PMblvckdream I have literally no idea what you are even arguing for at this point. Your point is: Panzerfüssiliers are UP and bad as an alternative infantry unit. And because of that not used. And I have respond to a suggestion that they should loose one of their G43 that would make them very cost inefficient. Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:04 PMblvckdream My point is: Panzerfüssiliers are good as they are but need to lose the extra snare range because their utility is too much for a squad with their DPS and durability. They are used a lot in anything but 1v1. 1) I doubt that they are used more than Penal the only other "alternative" mainline infatry so by comparison they are not that good 2) Suggesting to lose the snare instead of replacing it with another bonus is a nerf to unit that by design is meant to have more powerful vet bonus. I have simply pointed out that the unit does not require a nerf. Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:04 PMblvckdream Other than that I don't want to post in this thread anymore because it is as usual just you arguing semantics. Then do not post. And I actually have avoided arguing semantics. Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 16:04 PMblvckdream ??????????????????? What would be the point of a unit like that. Panzerfüssiliers are meant as an alternative for Volks. Volks scale badly and become shit in late game. That's why you can build Füssiliers instead to sacrifice early game power for snare and late game scalability. And according to you out lost VG are replaced by Obers. By becoming cheaper the unit be built for it utility and not is combat performance. I do not really why one has to invest so much to get a unit with flares and a longer range snare... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfüssiliers balance27 Jan 2020, 16:01 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2020, 15:58 PMblvckdream Now find a quote that I suggest that PF should become a replacement of VGs. I have never made such a suggestion and actually I am against "one units" builds so I have suggested multiple times that units should "bring different things to the table" instead of just DPS. I am simply saying what the patch notes say in your quote. The thing I have said and will continue to say is that if PF are there to "supplement" VG they can become more cost efficient by becoming cheaper and carrying less of punch. In: COH2 Balance