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Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.17 Feb 2020, 09:00 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 01:32 AMelchino7 .... But that would work only when you have 2 factions facing each other. Once you introduce the possibility of facing multiple factions on each side the logic behind a faction benchmark breaks. And this mostly would apply to 1v1 only. You can have OH as a benchmark and balance around the allied factions against it, but have completely different results against OKW. What do you do when you have a faction which is OP against OH but UP against OKW? What you do you do when that faction only works in 1v1 but is horrible on teamgames and viceversa. What about discrepancy on skill level as well? Quite simply first you balance all allied faction vs Ostheer and then you adjust OKW accordingly. Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 01:32 AMelchino7 Rather than a FACTION as a benchmark, you want a certain unit archetype to be the benchmark. Giving you the upper limit of how strong a type of unit can be. Again what you use as benchmark is irrelevant as long as it constant and used for direct comparison. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ostheer Tech Restructure7 Feb 2020, 01:04 AM Or one can simply add a separate tech (with or without a cost) for doctrinal vehicles and make sure that timing the cost is appropriate... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.17 Feb 2020, 00:59 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 18:54 PMHannibal I agree on the line infantry part. You have been arguing for OST as a benchmark a lot. In some parts it makes sense IF the whole concept of a benchmark makes sense, which I briefly remarked that this is often not the case. Also your benchmark faction must be balanced within itself. What do you do if you have good line infantry but the cost/performance for an AI vehicle of zhe benchmark faction is absolutely shitty? Give every faction usable line infantry and nerf the shit out of their AI vehicle? Think you are still missing the point: 1) Any faction can used as the benchmark 2) If that faction is wins more game vs other you buff the other faction 3) If that faction loses more games vs other you nerf the other faction Finally the just because a faction is balanced it does not mean that some of components can not be up or op if it part of the design of the faction. And this is how ostheer were designed. Less cost efficient infatry more cost efficient support weapon. Weaker light vehicles more powerful medium tanks. Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 18:54 PMHannibal In the current state of the game, it does not make much sense to have a benchmark faction. The best thing is to cluster units that perform well for their cost and potential counters, and then balance other units according to them. In one situation we can nerf the IS2 because the Tiger is decently balanced. But this does not mean that the 251 has to be nerfed until people don't really use it anymore like the M5 (just exemplary) Again it does not matter what you use as your benchmark as long at it stay the same. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.16 Feb 2020, 17:38 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 16:36 PMSander93 I disagree, given how 1v1 Ostheer and teamgames Ostheer are almost entirely different factions. Great if do not like ostheer as the benchmark choose another. It does not matter which one is used as long as it remains constant. So pls let us know which one you guys have chosen and stop buffing that faction. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Winter balance (1/2020) feedback - Ostheer6 Feb 2020, 15:18 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 13:44 PMHannibal I have to agree. While the original idea was nice, it just does not work that well in the game. .. I agree but I made different proposal, the duration is increased but the ability provides "new" with target size 1 that can merge but not reinforce. This make them ideal to provide in reinforcement to the front and re crew support weapons. In: Lobby
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.16 Feb 2020, 14:31 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 14:00 PMHannibal This honestly does not make much sense. It is a valid approach to declare one faction's units as benchmark and then balance everything else according to it, but: 1. All factions have to be designed roughly equally, which in CoH2 works for many standard units (mediums and for the most part also main line infantry) but not for many non-standard units (for example there is not unit for the Crocodile if OST is the benchmark as you often said). My point is quite simple if grenadier require another buff after years of being fine, it mean that the power level has been increased and now they are up. And IS are UP also (I would say conscripts were also UP until they received the OP SVT and & men upgrade). Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 14:00 PMHannibal 2. You always try to push OST as benchmark, although there is little reason for it. If the current state of the game is all in all doing well (which I think we can agree on that it is), then take the easiest route to balance because it will cause less side effects. Actually Ostheer is the more complete faction including most units type thus the better candidate for a benchmark and thus Relic choose it, it was not me who made that choice. You actually brought that up with Croc example. In addition which faction is the benchmark is quite irrelevant. Its like saying I prefer to call my length units meter over feet. Actually the easiest way, is to revert some of the changes that make other units OP compared to Grenadier instead of buffing grenadier. It much easier to identify the right spot for other units since it is between their pre buff and current state. Buffing grenadier further is moving into uncharted waters. And grenadier are not the only UP unit so are IS and even conscripts that had to received OP abilities to leave up to new power level. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.16 Feb 2020, 13:48 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 13:28 PMT.R. Stormjäger Do you give Grens the slightest buff at 2mp per model reinforce or do you nerf 3 different mainlines and adjust a 4th (Volks)? Apparently the latter is correct for some people. Do you continue to increase the power with patch or have you decide what is an optimum power level and adjust units according? And IS are currently UP also. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion6 Feb 2020, 12:57 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 12:30 PMSupremeStefan Ahh yes because all your funny theorycrafting is based on replays. And pls stop, this level of violence suggests that it's personal for you. I have a address a simple question to the mod team the rest is simply you, if there is something personal it is from your side alone... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion6 Feb 2020, 12:22 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 12:19 PMSupremeStefan Dude calm down I mean only that u can keeping croc at bay with panzer4 espiecally with okw panzer 4. Its not posible with Pershing or is2. And if u lost panzer4 to croc its only l2p problem. Cp9 should stay I perfectly calm "dude" you claim that "panzer4 can handle a croc" is simply false. I suggest you back up you claim with some replays. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: WINTER PATCH v1.16 Feb 2020, 12:14 PM Ostheer Tech Changes : Facilitate an easier transition for Ostheer T3 to T4 builds Either T4 needs to be a "superior" Tier and have at least 1 all around unit or it need to a choice between t3 and t4 and need to have a cheap unit. A decision need to be made on what T4 is about. Grenadiers reinforce cost reduction Continues buff to grenadiers is a sing of power creep. It is not the grenadier that need buffing but other units that need nerfs. Since most of these unit where buffed finding the right spot between their pre-buffed stat and their current ones should not be difficult. Brummbar armour buff Unit suffers from T4 design, cost and allied TDs penetration values. Possible solution: a) Redesigning the unit of and building/garrison unit. Toned down damage increase tenacity and give it superior modifier vs cover/garrison and extra damage vs structures. The unit will be now more about utility thus price can be adjusted. b) Move stug-E to T3, ostwind to T4 (solves some of T4 issues) make brumbar doctrinal. One can even turn it into a super heavy tank and design it like KV-2 In: COH2 Balance