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Thread: Is the T70 OP?6 Mar 2020, 23:34 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 22:26 PMelchino7 Your point: let's nerf T70 performance and make it cheaper. My point: the offensive performance is there because SU has to spend shit ton of mp to unlock it and it arrives way later than all other light vehicles in the game. It not a light vehicle it is a light tank. If it arrives later it arrives later than OKW vehicles so delay those vehicles. Lower the price of the T2 truck so it set up in the same time as T1 and have vehicle production (puma? Stuka?)require engineers. Now Puma comes later. Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 22:26 PMelchino7 No amount of cost reduction on the unit is gonna make it work. I purposely added USF as a comparison as well. Could had done the same with UKF AEC but thought it was already enough. And OH doesn't have a light tank at all. This is OKW issue. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is the T70 OP?6 Mar 2020, 22:23 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 22:15 PMT.R. Stormjäger There’s literally no reason why you shouldn’t invest 30 fuel in a Quad AA for mobile suppression and backline defense. I very often get it alongside the T70. Getting T4 and 7 men conscripts first is probably a better choice at least in 2vs2. Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 22:15 PMT.R. Stormjäger The Su76 is outshined by the SU85 even more than it used to since T2 (Zis) and snares on conscripts means you don’t need an emergency su76 anymore. It is simply because SU-85 is OP, Su-76 might not be an attractive option but it is a cost efficient one. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What to do with OST?6 Mar 2020, 22:12 PM They should not the other faction should nerfed. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is the T70 OP?6 Mar 2020, 22:09 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 21:34 PMelchino7 Read again. Read carefully. It's not the T70 cost, it's the timing at which it appears and the equivalent amount of resources you pay at that point of the game (not total tech cost). I did not meant that you said but if you check the post the "T-70 is expensive and needs to be OP" is repeated again and again. Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 21:34 PMelchino7 OKW can play with 1/2 medic stacks through the early-mid game and will later or not back tech to medics which are expensive (Truck + Battle HQ + Medic = 55f 370mp) but this kind of teching let's them to be highly mp efficient early on while having access to a complete roster of tools (nades, snare, weapon, MG, AT). PD: if i made any number mistake, MB. No malicious intent, just that i wrote this posts at different times and doing the math mentally. I did not check that math and I guess they are fine, but I fail to see the relevance to T-70. If OKW are highly MP efficient nerf them instead of buffing the other factions... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is the T70 OP?6 Mar 2020, 22:06 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 20:16 PMT.R. Stormjäger You’re wrong about the Quad AA, it’s great value and complements the T70 really well as a mid game spike. The Su76 is useless and will keep being useless until they give it HE shells for free. The SU85 is way too good and too easy to get instead with the T2 meta. I did not say that Quad is bad in anyway. SU-76 is a cost efficient unit. T-70 is simply great and there is little reason to invest into any other T3 unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is the T70 OP?6 Mar 2020, 20:11 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 17:03 PMelchino7 The problem is not the T70 cost, it's T3 fuel cost on top of basic upgrades such as AT nades + Molotovs. The tech cost have been reduced over time again and again so I am not sure what the problem is. Are the Molotovs and AT nades necessary if someone is rushing a T-70? Soviet already get a either access to stock PTRS or to stock zis. Actually we the tech cost have drop so much that there is almost no "medium phase" and we go from light vehicles to Super heavy... Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 17:03 PMelchino7 Counter argument: move the cost to T4 Counter counter argument: say we "nerf" the T70 to P2 levels of performance and equal timing. NO ONE would want to face a soviet P2 at the same timing as OKW puts it on the field. PzIV is an AI only vehicle (its performance vs vehicle is inferior to the 222) so if the T-70 had the same same cost it should inferior AI performance. My point is simply T-70 performance is being justified due to its cost so simply reduce cost and performance so that unit may appear earlier but have less shock value. Then there would be reason for soviet to choose both the quad and the SU-76 instead. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is the T70 OP?6 Mar 2020, 16:39 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 16:37 PMblvckdream The problem of the T70 is that it's arrival time makes it mandatory to be clearly better than all the other LVs. It costs 190 fuel for OKW to get Luchs + Puma out while it costs Soviets 165 fuel to get a single T70 out. And that is without Molotovs or AT snares. So if you decide to give Conscripts basic tools you will end up paying almost as much for your first T70 as OKW does for Puma and Luchs together. It's very strong at the moment but if it gets toned down it needs to be very nuanced because of how much fuel you need to get it. Simply lower the power level. Less lethal at lower price. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is the T70 OP?6 Mar 2020, 16:29 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 16:08 PMAerohank I would reduce the T70 armor so it becomes a bit more vulnerable to the 20mm and the Flak AA. This would make the T70 less of a counter to 222, Luchs, and flak HT. This would then force Soviets to go for an SU76 if they actually want to hard counter these units right away. For some strange reason Luch has a an accuracy modifier vs vehicles so it is not very good at it. It has lower accuracy and half the penetration of 222. In general luch is not very good vs vehicles (even m3). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What is the REAL problem with Ost T4?6 Mar 2020, 15:11 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 15:00 PMSuperHansFan Heavy TD would be ele or JT. You just listed 60range TDs plus the panther and forgot the Jagdpanzer which is 14pop. Heavy TDs refers to TDs designed to to counter heavily armored vehicles, which I have listed. JT/Ele/ISU are super heavy vehicles. JP is medium tank counter it should have its pop reduce to 12. Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 15:00 PMSuperHansFan USF have no issue with fielding multiple 16pop Jackson's due to crew abuse. Mark the word Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 15:00 PMSuperHansFan So the only faction that suffers here is Brits. Soviets can field a KV-1 and SU-85 for 29 compared to church and FF combo that is a inflated 35. And people wonder why British lag behind even when they reach late game. Especially with so many bolstered squads eating into popcap. As pointed both KV-1 and SU-85 need a pop increase. Again FF pop is not inflated it has a pop suited for counter to heavily armored vehicles. According to the MOD team not even Churchill's pop is inflated... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What is the REAL problem with Ost T4?6 Mar 2020, 14:57 PM Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 14:42 PMJibberJabberJobber From 16 to 18 to 19* Here's the match that probably led to the extra nerf: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wRMQjx3DePo IMO Churchill shouldn't cost more pop than a Panther, it has allot of health sure, but it also feeds veterancy to AT units and tanks like no other. 19 pop made it very hard to keep a competitive army composition to support it (note: you already need to have allot of pop for repair units to keep it on the field). Comparing with the Panther makes little sense, compare it with the Comet if you wish. Panther is specialized vehicle Churchill is all around. Imo actually Churchill should be redesign to be more infantry support less all around and then one can lower Pop...But all this is irrelevant to Ostheer T4. In: COH2 Balance