What I don't really understand about those USF OP topics is that USF only received the close range dps buff for the riflemen and several nerf on its mid/late game indirect fire this last patch. I could understand such topic if USF players were abusing the shit out this riflemen buff by spaming them but no, the concern is about building the minimum of them early game.
I believe it has more to do with nerfs to USF opposition, than changes directly to USF. I could be wrong though, cause I also thought the same thing you're saying here |
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u started saying that rifle buff was not a straight dps increase, i said no it is, then u brought falls , cause u could not just say, "im wrong".....
It's not a straight dps increase. A straight dps increase would be dps buff at all ranges. Did Riflemen get that? No. Pretty fucking simple. Don't know why you needed to drag this out over so many posts
I've literally said "im wrong" to you yourself within in the last month. Idk why you're making this personal, I admit when I'm wrong plenty |
nope it started with u saying
which is plain wrong , as from 3 to 15 there is a dps increase with no draw backs and is quite substantial at close range
then instead of saying "sorry i made a wrong statement" u decided to derail
What are you talking about? Where is the wrong statement? I wasn't even talking about falls in that post, so it can't be where it started....
It is not a substantial dps buff compared to falls. That is literally my entire point, which is pretty indisputable. Just look at the changelog
You are derailing this thread far more than me. I'm actually talking bout g43 grens with OP you haven't mentioned them for several posts... |
dude i was comparing just the change to range,
Okay but I wasn't. This started with me saying falls got more of an actual dps buff than Rifleman. Then you decided to remove half of the buffs, because reasons.
Falls have a change that effects all ranges (rof buff, ambush bonus) Rifleman do not. Now get back to the topic, this is straying far enough away already |
the fall got 2 changes, buff the mid range point (like rifle) and rof buff,
Yeah I understood what you meant... My point is you can't just remove a buff like that. An ROF buff significantly effects dps...
You are also forgetting Far cooldown buff, and ambush bonus
This still doesn't mean that g43s aren't a terrible choice at 2CP instead of LMGs so I would not use that as an argument as to why g43s have to be 2CP.
Okay but when you're comparing them to lmg42s that's when I go back to the map dependant point. Open maps favor lmg42s, maps with more cqc and LoS blockers favor g43s
Ppshs for conscripts are cp2, so it seems pretty fair |
You gave me the repeated answer of being good for mobile warfare which we all already know, but the thing I was after was how does this actually transfer into better performance in comparison to other options:
-when does that increased dps on the move outperform 5men grens who in addison to having increased dps on the move are better every other way except super close range.
Okay so upgrade vs. upgrade i think the 5 men grens are better. The difference is the options around it. I can get g43 grens on a Commander with a Tiger and SCAS, with a Tiger ACE and Stormtroopers, etc.
But if 5 man grens wasn't better than g43s, you would never pick that Commander. I feel like that's just a necessity, given the g43s available to other commanders |
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I thought you wanted to talk about g43s? I gave you more thoughts on them like you asked
.... well if u remove the fire rate buff, then yes it’s the same as falls
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dude, it is a straight dps buff, for the ranges above it
Yes of course it is, for those ranges. But straight dps buff sounds more like what falls got, not Riflemen. There is a clear scale of difference in those changes |
Change obers for any close range unit, u get my point
Sort of. It's still only a slight buff to close range dps. The curve just changed, but ranges 0-3 it's still the same dps
So saying it as "straight dps buff" is misleading |
This logic of being spanked already at that range makes no sense, should we buff obers to have more long range dps cause they already beat rifle at that range ?
Does long range = close range? Notice how Riflemen have to cross through grens advantage in order to get to theirs... |