I said KV tanks, not only KV8. KV1 / KV2 are more than a threat to a Pz4.
Even those two last have high rear armor for a P4 to score pen shots.
Do not turn upside down my arguments and put words in my mouth, i said both things, a proper played brumbar will not show a rear shot to anything but T34s being so cheap are able to dive through hell and back to get a rear shot, even more if you certainly know that will pen.
Now you want to add another setup just to twist my wordings. Please abstain from that unless you really know what you do.
ATGs are always present in a normal skill game but you know very well that ATGs are the slowest, then brumbarrs and the fastest of them 3 is the t34, imagine taking a ATG everywhere you send your stupa just because some pesky t34, wich you cant hit nor damage is always going to get behind BECAUSE IT SCORES PEN SHOTS.
NONESENSE
I really don't understand what you're trying to say here man. The extent of my point:
Rear armor of any tank should never deflect shots coming from something larger than a t70. Regardless of faction, regardless of units. If it's larger than a t70, it should always penetrate rear armor in my opinion
If you disagree, please explain more clearly. If you don't, great.
I wasn't even trying to twist your words or start a debate. I was just trying to clarify my point/understand yours. Please calm down
ATGs support but are nowhere neccesary to enable a LATEGAME AI SPECIALIST TANK...
I literally said
ALL mediums expose themselves to ATGs with a flank,
not just t34 against brumbarr.
I said nothing even remotely close to "you should have an AT gun behind every brumbarr". I just said flanking is risky no matter what you're fighting against
Idk why you're talking about t34 speed? There's a reason AT guns have 60 range and tanks have 35
Well yes, but also no. You start like that and your still going to have whining because axis rear would have to be lower to accommodate the t34, which means even the T70 would have an alright chance.
Yeah I'm not saying everything above t70 should have 100% and t70 should have 0%. Just that the cutoff for 100% should be above the t70
The health of things like the t70 already insures that flanking a tank with it won't go well