Profile of AchtAchter

I think it's fine if it's not a charging ability that can be transfered onto other squads. If you pin a squad, force it to retreat and then shoot directly after the cooldown on another unit it should load again in order to supress and not instant supress the next unit.

It's needed for rear echolons because US forces can't suppress in the first engagements, which makes them very vulnerable to flanking Storm pios. Rear echolons don't scale well into late game, so building even two Rear echolons (in order to spam the ability) instead of one riflemen is usually a very bad strategical decision since you canteasily counter that with T2 okw/ost to a game deciding point.

Awesome. So the KV8 was never OP. Who cares if it ended infantry like a Boss and killed all retreating squads. IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN NERFED! It came late and it was doctrinal and the counters were already THERE! There were tons of ways to deal with it!

No thats a flawed argument.

Yeah, just ignore what I wrote. Compare tanks with infantry units and derail by talking about complete other units and old patches. Why don't you counter obers with vehicles? Why do you want to mirror infantry, its brings boredom to the game.

I personally never found the Kv8 to be op to be dealt with, it was just too punishing if you don't have a counter when it rolls out.

Buffing volks and nerfing os would destroy the design of the okw faction. It's a inflexible hard counter faction, take away the hard counters and it just remains inflexible.
The soviet faction is comparable in my opinion, however it doesn't counter as hard but has instead more durability. Nobody asks to take away the 6 man squads and by this take away what makes the faction unique and strong (except for german fanboys)

The price to performance comparison between FJs and STs has been done. They should be worse than FJs since they cost less and slightly better than STs since they cost a tiny bit more. Instead they LOL melt the shit out of STs. Not to mention how wonderful and synergizing their Vet is.

To folks that say they come out late. You can have them out as your second building if you want. Also STs have no AT either. Lets just buff STs to 95% of Obersoldaten then? Range profile too? No? Well then that might be because they are overperforming for all their benefits and cost.

I love playing OKW. I think they are my new Favorite faction. But Obersoldaten are clearly overperforming.

I talk about vehicles to counter obersoldaten and you come up with shock troops.
Your price comparison moreover lacks since obersoldaten need teching and rushing for them exposes you to be vulnerable to tanks since you cant get a puma or a jagdpanzer until late game when you rush for obersoldaten.

Shocks melt down Obers on close range, regardless of cover and the Stg44 upgrade. If you charge on open field, or charge without smoke you should be punished for that and not crying that something is op, while there are more than enough ways to counter that unit. You want to counter them simply with infantry, but they are not designed to be dealt in that way.

Played a game against somebody who rushed for obers. I wiped out one squad with the AA track and chased wiped the other with a utility car. My opponent rage quitted after that.

This game is not about manpower costs but about right tactics and the right use of units. A Kv8 costs more than a stug, yet a stug kills a kv8, you also don't cry about that. In the same way infantry is not symmetrically designed, all the infantry squads have different uses and strength, you cry to equalize them all by their manpower cost.
Yet you seem to forget they are equalized by their manpower costs if you use them in a proper way.
Shocks near range > obers, falls /// Airbornes with thompson close range > obers, falls

Start to use the game mechanics right before crying for a nerf.

I find it funny that people still complain that their infantry has a hard time hitting obersoldaten.

Again, obersoldaten hard counter infantry. If you are too stupid or to lazy to get out a m3 or utility car or a AA track or any fucking vehicle than its your own fault. Just stop crying. The same way people could cry that they lose their tanks to at guns, it's just a learn to play issue.

Okw is designed around elite units if you take them away, you take Okw out of the game. I have the impression that some people won't stop crying unit all factions have exactly the same units.

Okw is designed as an hard counter faction that is inflexible. Going quick for a unit exposes many tactical weaknesses that you can utilize to win the game.

How to counter a blob you learn in the noob a-b-c. Somebody who blobs loses map presence and bleeds a lot of manpower. There are enough units that punish blobbing, you just have to use them.