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24 Sep 2019, 18:36 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 16:59 PMgbem


Sidetech vs free stuff from teching...

Why is it that axis somehow gets free shit from teching while the allies have to sidetech to get the goodstuff :v
cause they pay more with tech ? we had this discussion some time ago u keep ignoring it

https://www.coh2.org/topic/96750/redirect-thread-faction-teching-and-timing
24 Sep 2019, 18:39 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 15:36 PMKirrik


Because calling Glider is comparable to teching? Also this entire thread is retarded, Commandos with brens should shred Falls at any ranges as they come later and require much higher investment than Falls to reach same power levels and scale worse with vet and you can't spam 3-4 squads of them casually like people do with Falls.

Anyway a squad that can win against dedicated long range units such as paras and guards and at the same time win against elite CQC units like rangers while having bundle, WP, stealth, ambush, faust and paradrop is the ultimate joke, one can argue that this time balance team went farther than JLI
again with ur lies they lose vs dedicated units


stop spouting lies as always , is this like the ostwind vs centaur where i did the test and u said i rigged them ? when u showed nothing ?
24 Sep 2019, 19:00 PM
#43
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they don't

are u so drained for arguments that u have to make up stuff ?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZtaBecIom0&t=1500s

Is tightrope rigging tests then? Because even without any vet Falls can almost take out Paratrooper squad
24 Sep 2019, 19:02 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:00 PMKirrik



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZtaBecIom0&t=1675s

Is tightrope rigging tests then? Because even without any vet Falls can almost take out Paratrooper squad
so they lost right ? are u saying that losing is now winning ? are u that biased ?
24 Sep 2019, 19:04 PM
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so they lost right ? are u saying that losing is now winning ? are u that biased ?


Falls are weakest at vet0 and come earlier than Paras, thats not even counting their cheapness and ambush camo. Now comibine 2 plus 2 and figure out who's gonna win in real game
24 Sep 2019, 19:08 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:04 PMKirrik


Falls are weakest at vet0 and come earlier than Paras, thats not even counting their cheapness and ambush camo. Now comibine 2 plus 2 and figure out who's gonna win in real game
well u can do some test and post them, i did mine and posted them, unlike u saying LIES as Always
24 Sep 2019, 19:10 PM
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well u can do some test and post them, i did mine and posted them, unlike u saying LIES as Always


That test had falls models all focused by Paras 1 by 1 and Paras still barely managed to survive against vet zero Falls. You're so in denial it's kinda pathetic
24 Sep 2019, 19:16 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:10 PMKirrik


That test had falls models all focused by Paras 1 by 1 and Paras still barely managed to survive against vet zero Falls. You're so in denial it's kinda pathetic


>falls beat para at long range

> we have test

>well they actaully don't beat para, but it was close

>it's not me saying lies it's u



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24 Sep 2019, 19:22 PM
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>falls beat para at long range

> we have test

>well they actaully don't beat para, but it was close

>it's not me saying lies it's u



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You deserved it.


Have you forgotten to take your pills lately? Falls have no buisness taking on dedicated long range 6 man elite infantry like that, they are not Obers. If they had ambush bonus on or had any vet (which they should as they come earlier) they would've beaten Paras. Heck I managed to do that in live game against not only USF paras but also Soviet ones and Guards.
24 Sep 2019, 19:29 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:22 PMKirrik


Have you forgotten to take your pills lately? Falls have no buisness taking on dedicated long range 6 man elite infantry like that, they are not Obers. If they had ambush bonus on or had any vet (which they should as they come earlier) they would've beaten Paras. Heck I managed to do that in live game against not only USF paras but also Soviet ones and Guards.
like vet 1 or 2 that give no combat bonus :snfPeter::snfPeter:

show them please ?
24 Sep 2019, 19:45 PM
#51
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u know a glider only cost 40 mp and is basically a reinforce bunker that cost 125 mp + 60 mun ?


No kidding. I like that you can call it in at a hot spot and reinforce as you are fighting.
Id be quite upset if the glider was nixed. It's unique AND fun
24 Sep 2019, 19:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:22 PMKirrik


Have you forgotten to take your pills lately? Falls have no buisness taking on dedicated long range 6 man elite infantry like that, they are not Obers. If they had ambush bonus on or had any vet (which they should as they come earlier) they would've beaten Paras. Heck I managed to do that in live game against not only USF paras but also Soviet ones and Guards.


falls are supposed to be an alternative to obers, they are elite AI inf
24 Sep 2019, 19:50 PM
#53
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like vet 1 or 2 that give no combat bonus :snfPeter::snfPeter:

show them please ?


Like vet 3 0.59 RA. But they dont need that as Ambush bonuses are enough to gib any infantry in game (even at low vet). In any case you can stop screeching about Falls being totally not overpowered as they are confirmed to get nerfed anyway.
24 Sep 2019, 19:51 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:47 PMAlphrum


falls are supposed to be an alternative to obers, they are elite AI inf


They are most certanly not supposed to be challenging long-ranged elites at long distances (which they currently do, and thats where balance team clearly screwed up)
24 Sep 2019, 19:57 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:47 PMAlphrum


falls are supposed to be an alternative to obers, they are elite AI inf

No, they are supposed to be ambush infiltration squad.
If you want to blob strong infantry, nothing will replace obers.
24 Sep 2019, 20:00 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:51 PMKirrik


They are most certanly not supposed to be challenging long-ranged elites at long distances (which they currently do, and thats where balance team clearly screwed up)

should commandos supposed to be challenging long-ranged elites at long distances?
24 Sep 2019, 20:06 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:57 PMKatitof

No, they are supposed to be ambush infiltration squad.
If you want to blob strong infantry, nothing will replace obers.


from the patch thread

"Fallschirmjäger have not been very popular due to their high cost, timing and being outclassed by Obersoldaten. Changes have been made to allow them to arrive sooner and scale better with veterancy and tech, at the cost of having less firepower upon deployment."

They are clearly being compared to obers. And if you played the game, you'd know they don't infiltrate anymore.
24 Sep 2019, 20:07 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 19:47 PMAlphrum


falls are supposed to be an alternative to obers, they are elite AI inf


Then remove stealth and faust
24 Sep 2019, 20:07 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 20:07 PMgbem


Then remove stealth and faust


make them 6 man too like paras? ok deal
24 Sep 2019, 20:19 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Sep 2019, 20:07 PMAlphrum


make them 6 man too like paras? ok deal

"they are an alternative to Obers!"
Then if they are going to be like Obers in firepower remove the extra utility
"then make them as durable as paras!"

Get your shit straight....
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