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Why is the OST mortar's ROF so high?

23 May 2017, 15:19 PM
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Seriously, the ROF is so high it negates its supposed penalty of being less accurate in comparison to something such as the sov mortar and even now the USF. The return on investment for this mortar is almost always 3-1 and has bulletins available to increase its accuracy by 10%.

TLDR: Its ROF is so high that it negates its supposed penalty of being less accurate.

23 May 2017, 15:28 PM
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it's supposed to be more accurate than soviet one and having a faster rate of fire.

i don't see any issue here.
23 May 2017, 15:56 PM
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Haha IDK, I still remember the old Turbo Mortar from like 2 years ago that had a 2 second reload or something ridiculous like that so it's kind of hard to complain about this one.
23 May 2017, 17:01 PM
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it's supposed to be more accurate than soviet one and having a faster rate of fire.

i don't see any issue here.



No you are wrong, the OST mortar is supposed to be less accurate with a higher ROF, my post tries to highlight that due to its ROF it ignores the poor accuracy. With vet the OST mortar scales drastically to the point that it might as well have the old precision strike.


The SOLV mortar has a low ROF and high accuracy still from the days when precision strike was a thing, this is not the case anymore. In comparison to other mortars, the OST is by far the most efficient, most accurate, and the best ROF. It is hard to counter, cheap, vets faster than others due to its consistent damage output.
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23 May 2017, 17:25 PM
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it's supposed to be more accurate than soviet one and having a faster rate of fire.

i don't see any issue here.



The Soviet mortar shoots at smaller squads. Why the hell would it shoot less accurately, AND be slower firing while costing the same??? That makes zero sense, and statistically, it's just wrong. The Soviet mortar has less scatter.
23 May 2017, 18:24 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 May 2017, 15:19 PMMittens
Seriously, the ROF is so high it negates its supposed penalty of being less accurate in comparison to something such as the sov mortar and even now the USF. The return on investment for this mortar is almost always 3-1 and has bulletins available to increase its accuracy by 10%.

TLDR: Its ROF is so high that it negates its supposed penalty of being less accurate.


Its Simple. One is a 4men squad, and the other is a 6men squad. Thats 50% more survavility.
23 May 2017, 19:00 PM
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having 6 men means nothing when a single mortar can kill 5 men and the last one get health damage.

or when a mortar hit dead center and take half a squad health forcing you to retreat for healing(something that happens fairly often).

not to mention that these indirect fires completely counter all infantry (including heavy weapons) independently of cover.
23 May 2017, 19:30 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 May 2017, 19:00 PMzerocoh
having 6 men means nothing when a single mortar can kill 5 men and the last one get health damage.

or when a mortar hit dead center and take half a squad health forcing you to retreat for healing(something that happens fairly often).


You aswered your own statement. If such situation happen to ost squad, he would be wiped, while soviet\USF squad he will retreat for healing
23 May 2017, 19:47 PM
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You aswered your own statement. If such situation happen to ost squad, he would be wiped, while soviet\USF squad he will retreat for healing


of course not. First the soviet mortar is MUCH more inaccurate, making these chances much lower. and then you have the superior axis units that deal way more dps than soviet ones, thus making wipes much easier to happen when retreating.
23 May 2017, 19:58 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 May 2017, 19:47 PMzerocoh


of course not. First the soviet mortar is MUCH more inaccurate, making these chances much lower. and then you have the superior axis units that deal way more dps than soviet ones, thus making wipes much easier to happen when retreating.


Wrong.

They have the same scatter in autofire, and soviet has less scatter on the barrage.

Quit spreading lies and talking out your ass.
23 May 2017, 20:04 PM
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The Soviet mortar shoots at smaller squads. Why the hell would it shoot less accurately, AND be slower firing while costing the same??? That makes zero sense, and statistically, it's just wrong. The Soviet mortar has less scatter.


Because - that the Wehrmacht mortar constantly wipes 5-6 people full squad, the Soviet mortar wipe the 4-man squad? It is better to wait for the second coming of Jesus.
23 May 2017, 20:19 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 May 2017, 19:58 PMTobis


Wrong.

They have the same scatter in autofire, and soviet has less scatter on the barrage.

Quit spreading lies and talking out your ass.


if this is true, why is that WM and USF mortars are much more precise than the soviet?
23 May 2017, 20:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 May 2017, 20:19 PMzerocoh


if this is true, why is that WM and USF mortars are much more precise than the soviet?

Because you're biased and notice it hitting more with it's higher firerate. It is not more precise. Feel free to check the weapon stats.
24 May 2017, 04:09 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 May 2017, 18:24 PMLeo251

Its Simple. One is a 4men squad, and the other is a 6men squad. Thats 50% more survavility.

Not if you're Brits tryna use a vickers. :foreveralone:
jump backJump back to quoted post23 May 2017, 20:21 PMTobis

Because you're biased and notice it hitting more with it's higher firerate. It is not more precise. Feel free to check the weapon stats.

Kubels always seem much squishier when I play axis.
24 May 2017, 09:24 AM
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Not if you're Brits tryna use a vickers. :foreveralone:



the balance was around Soviet - Osther,
relic fcked up pretty much everything when making their DLC but still you can argue that brits got even a better mortar (mortar pit) which makes it somehow balanced.
24 May 2017, 13:33 PM
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To quickly summarize "wah wah wah, stats are hard, what is balance?"
24 May 2017, 14:46 PM
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the balance was around Soviet - Osther,
relic fcked up pretty much everything when making their DLC but still you can argue that brits got even a better mortar (mortar pit) which makes it somehow balanced.

That's very true. Mortar pit can't move though.
25 May 2017, 05:22 AM
#20
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There is with out a doubt something going on with it. Idc what the stats say there is no way its less accurate than the soviet mortar or the turbo ROF does have something to do with it, half the time the first shell lands directly on the sqaud and lots of times like rifles will leave them with 1 or 2 members with slivers of health that easily get picked off. It also feels like it tracks targets as if the shell changes its trajectory in mid air and fire from fow by itself
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