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Make T-34/85 and M4A3 (76) non-doc just like OKW Pz4

20 Dec 2016, 20:48 PM
#21
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Buff? Why? It's probably best medium-medium tank.


we wouldn't be having this discussion if the sherman is the " best medium-medium tank". USF late game is infamously weak without the pershing or calliope DLC.
20 Dec 2016, 20:54 PM
#22
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we wouldn't be having this discussion if the sherman is the " best medium-medium tank". USF late game is infamously weak without the pershing or calliope DLC.


Well I think it depedens on point of view.

Sometimes it's better to make 3 Shermans than calling Pershing.

But still, out of bigger view, Sherman is best when compare to T34/76, P4 and Cromwell.
20 Dec 2016, 20:58 PM
#23
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2016, 17:05 PMVuther
This and this.

"What will their commanders have now, then?" is just the start.

Less about the Commanders (USF wouldn't be affected because their 75mm is completely unused) and more about tank balance. You'd have to rebalance tank combat to account for it being T-34-85 and M4A3 76mm units against the Panzer IV's and Panthers. Particularly the Panzer IV's, which Ostheer's is already considered lackluster.


jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2016, 18:22 PMcapiqua
Or perhaps add more T34/85 to the commanders

We need more Elite Ace T3485s :banana:

Swap T-34-76 with the commander call-ins, and have an elite T-34-85 in Advanced Warfare?


jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2016, 19:28 PMAradan
As a adding MG34 and PzIV for OKW?

That was because OKW didn't have Basic Infantry or a Machine Gun or a Medium Tank, so it made them an awkward faction that was hard to balance. With new Volksgrenadiers, the MG 34, and Panzer IV Ausf. H added they have a core army that can be balanced around.


and the t34 76 is actually pretty decent right now. 75 sherman just need a buff.

I could get on board with giving Shermans 720 health to make up for the lack of 'shield' units. The Easy Eight already has it, anyway.
20 Dec 2016, 21:09 PM
#24
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You can't have health, penetration, damage, turret and speed.


Cromwell say hi
20 Dec 2016, 21:10 PM
#25
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Cromwell say hi


Well not really. Cromwell is great at crushing but Sherman has HE shells, AT shells have biggest penetration, plus crew repairs and great smoke.
20 Dec 2016, 21:14 PM
#26
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Well not really. Cromwell is great at crushing but Sherman has HE shells, AT shells have biggest penetration, plus crew repairs and great smoke.


Cromwell smoke is better if it wasnt bugged (just lelic things). Cromwell doesnt need to switch shells because he can crush infantry and still defeat panzer.

Maybe it comes to a personal preference but I think cromwell is better than sherman.




Also comet packs all of these stats + war speed + 70 range fosoforus smoke, but we all know comet is "a bit over the top".
20 Dec 2016, 21:15 PM
#27
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Cromwell smoke is better if it wasnt bugged (just lelic things). Cromwell doesnt need to switch shells because he can crush infantry and still defeat panzer.

Maybe it comes to a personal preference but I think cromwell is better than sherman.




Also comet packs all of these stats + war speed + 70 range fosoforus smoke, but we all know comet is "a bit over the top".


I guess you are right. It's a personal taste :)
20 Dec 2016, 21:30 PM
#28
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Cromwell say hi


I'm guessing Lord Relic deemed him out of scope? :p
20 Dec 2016, 21:53 PM
#29
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exactly, more health for m36 would be osom


I know right, how nice it would be not to die in 2 KT shots, 3 AT shots, or 4 Shreck shots.
20 Dec 2016, 21:56 PM
#30
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2016, 09:21 AMUGBEAR
T-34/85 and M4A3 (76) are two of the most produced tanks in WW2, 4 times more produced than the panther/ PZ4, yet relic decides to lock it behind some doctrines(and M4A3 (76) is not even in multiplayer) , I wish to see these beautiful generalist tank came into action without the limitation of commanders for years, and yet OKW pz4 became non-doctrinal just for weeks before ppl starts demanding it.


Please let political correctness aside and Axis armor superiority aside , make T-34/85 non-doctrinal and M4A3 (76) in BOB campaign non-doctrinal!


if you are looking for realism, better leave.
there are already more realistic rts game on wwii, but they are also far more hard to play.
20 Dec 2016, 22:14 PM
#31
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This thread of soul +1 but gameplay side are real. But hope moders can somthing deal with it.
21 Dec 2016, 02:07 AM
#32
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I know right, how nice it would be not to die in 2 KT shots, 3 AT shots, or 4 Shreck shots.


It should be a glass cannon, it's not supposed to win in a slug fest. If it could, why would you make Shermans?
21 Dec 2016, 02:16 AM
#33
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It should be a glass cannon, it's not supposed to win in a slug fest. If it could, why would you make Shermans?


Vs Infantry?
The Firefly has 640 HP!
21 Dec 2016, 02:39 AM
#34
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Vs Infantry?


The meta would be M36 Jacksons and M8 Scotts, there wouldn't be much need for M4 Shermans.
21 Dec 2016, 02:59 AM
#35
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I agree from a purely realism perspective but from a gameplay and balance perspective it'd be problematic and extremely unlikely.


these two tanks are so much easier to deal with than the comet, panther ROF buff will solve the problem.(and I want it)



Upgrade for their guns in their respective buildings like in the Tank Depot for the American Army in COH? I'd agree with that, in fact I had the same idea, just never really did fully realize it sadly.


Good call, make the T34/85 up-gun available after constructing tier 4, and make M4A3 (76) available after murica get their captain or so.



I know that it seems like lame to be using the 75mm sherman and the t34 76, but adding the t34 85 and E8 would just marginalize the base variant even further.

and the t34 76 is actually pretty decent right now. 75 sherman just need a buff.


The base variant is already outdated in front of panthers Jadgpanzer 4 and the non-doc KTs, and from game-play perspective T-34/85 and M4A3 (76) isn't a greater threat compare to the firefly/churchill or Comets , and BTW, the M4A3 (76) is a M4A3 with a 76mm gun mounted turret, not the wide track E8 version, it's been locked in BOB campaign

21 Dec 2016, 03:08 AM
#36
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The meta would be M36 Jacksons and M8 Scotts, there wouldn't be much need for M4 Shermans.


M8 Scott?
What is this new unit you speak of?
21 Dec 2016, 06:17 AM
#37
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Dec 2016, 02:59 AMUGBEAR


these two tanks are so much easier to deal with than the comet, panther ROF buff will solve the problem.(and I want it)

Good call, make the T34/85 up-gun available after constructing tier 4, and make M4A3 (76) available after murica get their capatain or so.





The base variant is already outdated in front of panthers Jadgpanzer 4 and the non-doc KTs, and from game-play perspective T-34/85 and M4A3 (76) isn't a greater threat compare to the firefly/churchill or Comets , and BTW, the M4A3 (76) is a M4A3 with a 76mm gun mounted turret, not the wide track E8 version, it's been locked in BOB campaign



It's "America" not murica and it's "Captain" not capatain. Please have a little bit more respect for my country, I never disrespected yours or have seen another one of my fellow countrymen here do the same.
21 Dec 2016, 06:26 AM
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21 Dec 2016, 06:34 AM
#39
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I'm going to be honest here, this is something the modding community could develop.

At this point in the game's history, I highly doubt that Relic would take these drastic changes just so the T-34/85 and the Easy Eights could be integrated into the bases instead of the doctrines.

Then there are those holes in some commanders that Relic has to fix, because that is where the "advanced medium tanks" were supposed to be.
21 Dec 2016, 10:53 AM
#40
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I doubt it will ever happen, but just for the sake of discussion, I think it'd be better to put the KV-1 on Tier 4 than the T-34/85. The 85 is just a better version of the 76, so it's not very interesting, whereas the KV-1 is actually something different, it's a strong beefy tank but with weak weaponry.
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