Profile of Hannibal

If you look at the tech of Soviets vs Ost. Ost most certainly gets stuff for free.

Ostheer gets access to grenades, LMGs, fausts, panzergrenadiers, an amazing machine gun, sniper, mortar all for the amazing price of 130MP (thanks you bonus 50MP starting resources for OST!). Meanwhile as Soviets you spend 160MP (no bonus for soviet scrubs) and get access to... No grenades, no weapon upgrades, no AT nades, a shit machine gun that is somehow 260MP, mortar, AT gun. Or they get penals/scoutcar/sniper.

If that doesn't qualify as 'getting stuff for free' then nothing can ever qualify as getting stuff for free.

I don't have my own sheet at hand at the moment, so I'll just quote StuG's post instead.

https://www.coh2.org/topic/96750/redirect-thread-faction-teching-and-timing/post/770422

Haven't rechecked his maths but I think it is correct since I did not compain back then.

It's slightly outdated since the discussion is from August last year, so especially OST T4 got a bit of a rework. But in general it still holds true:
For tech to mediums, healing (or OKW T2 engineers), grenades and weapon upgrades all factions pay approximately the same in fuel. MP is a bit different but MP economy is also way more complex.

I'm not going into this cherrypicking "OST gets the building for X MP" etc as this is forced by faction and game design (btw unless they changed it or StuG is wrong, the MP starting difference between OST and SOV seems to be 30, not 50; also you neglected the 40 FU pricetag on BP1 so that PGrens don't come right out of the gate).
Instead we should have a look at which times and for how much investment a faction can reach certain milestones like "4 mainlines and a support weapon on the field", "viable unlock of weapon upgrades" etc. This would give a better impression of when a faction has an advantage. OKW for example pays quite a bit for their full tech. The main difference though is that they have to make their MP investment comes comparatively late, which allows their early game pressure.

If you want to compare faction costs, do it reasonably and don't retell actual faction differences by design.

The way I see the last few pages is like this

You have rifles and tommies which are your Big Mac, ...

I'll just make the correction at this point:
Axis do not get stuff "for free". It is usually included in their tech cost, they just unlock it at different timings. There are some differences between factions though regarding tech costs in general. But this is not specific to Allies or Axis

This has always felt like a distinct problem with the Jagdpanzer IV, and after seeing it a few times in streams recently it has been on my mind again.

When tank destroyers (TDs) rotate to target an enemy tank they have a tendency to shoot before they have finished turning. This seems to coincide with a high miss rate that makes it look like they must have a moving penalty being applied that a stationary turreted tank would not have.

I did some tests in CheatMod with an SU85 and JPIV. I always had the bias that the JPIV was far more heavily affected by this issue, but surprisingly it seemed pretty even from an anecdotal perspective. Both tanks distinctly shoot before they finish rotating and often miss.

I'm curious as to whether increasing general TD aim time by 300 milliseconds or so (and reducing cooldown/reload time accordingly) would help to resolve this issue and allow TDs to perform more consistently in their role.

If the enemy tank was close enough to make the TD keep rotating, the moving penalty would probably still appropriately apply.

Anyone with modding knowledge able to comment on whether or not this makes any sense?

Do you have any counted numbers for yout test?
But what I could imagine hapoening:
The tank shoots as soon as the first edge of the target reaches the tolerated angle. It might be that the tank then targets the edge instead of the center. If the shot scatters, then one half of the scatter area is not covered by the enemy target which leads to a higher chance to miss overall. But I don't know how target aquisition is checked. Maybe it is always the center of the unit that needs to be in range. But I remember a discussion in the forums about Elefant and the British AT emplacement being weird, because although both have 70 range, the Elefant could target the emplacement but not the pther way round due to hit boxes and the projectile spawn point or something.

But it might just be that CoH bugs out and applies some modifiers during rotation.

I am not sure if fire aim time would fix this. It depends on where the tank actually aims at. If the original target would still be the edge and not be updated after the aim time, then nothing would change.

I don't think I post much in the forums, since I primarily stay in the coh2.org Discord server. In any case, to break my lurking, I've decided to post a common resource used in the server, a google spreadsheet.

It contains numbers extracted from the attribute editor manually. The other databases like https://coh2db.com/stats/# and http://www.coh2-stats.com/ are quite dated, having been updated last 2017, and 2015, respectively.

It has a few additional resources like calculators. Frankly, some of the explanations I put in might need to have a bit more detail added in- And I'm genuinely welcoming feedback in that regard. It began as a solo project, but I've started borrowing other people's time, as well. More contributors welcome.

As of now, it has 11 usable sheets, with WIP sheets, as well.



CoH2.org discord server link

Very nice, thanks for the hard work.
The only thing that I'd like to note is that the texts to explain how things are calculated are a bit misleading. you usually state something like "accuracy + modifiers", while it should be "accuracy * modifiers". CoH2 allows to apply modifiers in multiple ways, but the most common one is multiplication and multiplicative stacking. That's why PGrens have +20% and +16,7% accuracy bonus on their vet. Originally they had +40%, but it was split. The multiplication makes it +40% again at vet 3.

Maybe we should somehow make an effort to better centralize data like this. MMX has a his spreadsheets, I have a spreadsheet with some data, you have yours and I know that also some members of the forums have their stuff. Everyone does the same work multiple times.

I EVEN ABSTAINED AND MODERATION TEAM IS OP

ABSTAINED? A TRAITOR TO THE CAUSE, I SEE...