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Thread: 22220 Apr 2018, 03:03 AM it's an attempt to return to the 444/666 strat for the axis. for a short while the axis 222 was extremely cost effective as anti-vehicle unit, but then their anti-infantry power was buffed and cost raised. This also mean the 222 lost their cost effectiveness as anti-vehicle unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Spring Update - Balance thread20 Apr 2018, 02:10 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2018, 02:08 AMZombiFrancis The proposed vet 2 panther armor is set to match the penetration of a vet 3 jackson. Vet 3 jackson will have 286 penetration at far range. (1.3 multiplier of 220) The vet 2 panther will have 286 armor. 286/286 is 1 (100% chance to pen) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Spring Update - Balance thread20 Apr 2018, 02:05 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2018, 01:20 AMLago Overall I'd say this is a net buff to the Panther's survivability. There's undeniable value in the reliability of extra health and the armour reduction only cancels this out in very long engagements. all those changes are basically shooting themselves in the foot. It's spinning around in circle. Instead of a design shift, it's balance spinning around in circle. https://www.coh2.org/topic/68895/re-evaluting-the-panther-s-range-and-hp https://www.coh2.org/topic/69618/panther-should-be-slower-and-re-evaluating-medium-speed a clear increase in durability in exchange for speed and range would have meant moving the panther in a clear direction toward being a brawler. You drive up to the enemy's face and get him in a slugging match. (flanker avoid trading shots. brawler excel in trading shots). a hp boost combined with an armor nerf undercut its own purpose. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Spring Update - Balance thread19 Apr 2018, 04:59 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2018, 04:47 AMKatitof It rips completely all lights below light tanks and a pair will hardcounter AEC, which is more then twice as expensive to get then single 222. fuel wise, yes. Manpower? no. the issue with 222 is that fact it's a light truck trying to do the job of a light tank. early-mid game is driven by light tank and wehr is now the only one that doesn't actually get one. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tank destroyers should be less accurate19 Apr 2018, 01:27 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2018, 08:35 AMVipper This does not seem to be the case. Scatter distance max is not included in the role it is just a limit. The role should be 0-distance x ratio. pretty sure that's not how RNG works. unless the RNG in Coh2 is just completely out of the ordinary, it's a 1d#. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Spring Update - Balance thread18 Apr 2018, 04:21 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2018, 04:17 AMthedarkarmadillo they are different, soviet has always lacked offensive capability in favor of durability in their infantry and vice versa for tanks. the soviet sniper has LITERALLY no advantage over any other sniper. the only thing halfway interesting is flares, which you can get on a mortar without vet and it has the added benifit of being able to smoke things and wipe squads. for cheaper. and more durable. like LITERALLY no reason to EVER EVER EVER get the soviet sniper unless you are trolling. they could swap it with the M42 AT gun and IT would get more use than the new sniper will because it would at least have some job in fighting the newly buffed 222 without having to get guards or neuter your penals i suppose the next step is increasing the price of the t34 to the same as the p4 and cromwell with no other changes because theres and su85 and katy in the tier? traditionally the soviet lack offensive capability in favor of durability. yet the su-85 is now one of the hardest hitting and fastest firing unit in the game. The penal unit is one of the best long range fighter in the game as well as having good durability as well. mortar flare also allow katyusha to wipe german unit with impunity. it disappoint me that the patch further double down on turning the jackson into a brawler. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tank destroyers should be less accurate17 Apr 2018, 23:37 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2018, 22:10 PMthedarkarmadillo So scatter just minimises how far it can go not increasing the odds of rolling closer? Whats the range for the roll then? technically yes. but if you were rolling for a lower number, a 1d6 will most likely beat a 1d20. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: re-evaluting the panther's range and HP17 Apr 2018, 01:29 AM Jump back to quoted post16 Apr 2018, 20:05 PMthedarkarmadillo Panthers range already is 50. What range do people think it is? the fact that panthers are usually the spearhead of a push is probably why people rarely notice the range. Hence the common ignorance. Why would you want your most armored and durable unit at the back of the line? especially since grenadiers are the most fragile line unit in the game. the range does allow the panther to snipe at fleeing medium as they stay visible in the fow for the precious few seconds. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: panther should be slower (and re-evaluating medium speed)16 Apr 2018, 04:34 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2018, 01:17 AMShadowLinkX37 Actually I use them regularly and if I do say so myself to rather good use. Here's the replay review I got today with my E8s. https://www.coh2.org/topic/69692/usf-and-okw-1v1-review-please-requesting-dave-j4j-or-devm I don't expect my E8s to deal massive damage to infantry. That's probably why I find them good. I expect the HE sherman to do that, and I expect the E8 with its 215 armor, 720 HP, decent pen and good mobility (0.75 moving accuracy debuff) to deal with armor. However I'm sure the unit differs drastically from 1v1 to 2v2. In 2v2 you have to worry about the StuG from ostheer coupled with pak walls and raks etc. But in 1v1 for its fuel price it can 1v1 either P4 easily due to its 5 shot kill HP pool. this dismissive attitude toward 2v2+ is why the balance swing so heavily into team game. the Ez8 is a good tank if you don't have to worry about t4. It will easily out muscle the pz4 and maybe even the stug in a head on contest. However, while the armor, gun, and hp package are all decent, its mobility is mediocre for a medium tank. At 6.1 2.1 it's slower than the wehr panzer 4 (6.3 2.1). Once the axis are able to bring their stronger armor into play, the ez8 will find itself outmatch in both speed and brawling capability. It's too slow to be an effective flanker and too weak to brawler against the heavy. The 76mm have a weak HE and its mg is pretty weak as well. The panther is both stronger and faster, and now with the new mg the panther is almost the equal of the ez8 at killing infantry. Medium tanks are more than just about killing tanks or some hypothetical 2 medium vs 1 panther match. Exploiting gaps and killing infantry are just as important if not more so. In this job the medium tanks keep to keep itself alive to justify the cost. It's like not tank destroyer or heavy tank where they can reliably kill other high value target. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: panther should be slower (and re-evaluating medium speed)14 Apr 2018, 06:50 AM Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2018, 06:13 AMRocket Hahah no in just tired of trying to field ez8s and the main gun time after time not bleeding them because it dosent same as comet then again i ask myself why did i even choose this its worthless he sherman jacksons, centuar ff, or i can build a slow ass ez8 to come in take two hits hen bounce off a panther hahahha what a joke, or scare infantry when it tale the luck of the irish for the main gun to gib a model the ez8 is complicated. It basically got hit with the nerf bat. 6.1 top speed and 2.1 acceleration isn't super great. Shermans are not that fast to begin with, and the e8 is slower. nerfing the snare alone is not going to fix the e8. the unit needs buff. In: COH2 Balance