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Hey!

has anybody already noticed the Vet 3 bonus of Soviet and Wehrmacht mortars doesn't apply? On Vet2 they get faster cooldown for their barrage abilities. And Vet 3 says, according to the CoH2.org beginner veterancy guide, +20% barrage accuracy.

But I made some testings and can't find any differences between a Vet 0 and Vet 3 mortar. And after looking at https://coh2.serealia.ca for the true stats, there is also no difference to see.

So as far as I can say, Vet 3 bonus doenst correctly apply to Grw34 and BM-37.

Am I wrong at this?

KW1 is bit of a joke. It should have a lot of HP to fullfill its tanky role, but its armor is way too high. This should be decreased.

You also have to mention its Vet1 ability to dig in, which doesn't even needs any infantry unit to do so (in contrast to OST Hull Down ability).

=> So, lower its armor, increase its HP to 880. Then it can sustain 1 more shot and KW1 should be fine.

Panzerschreck has no use on PGs: A weapon with 35 range vs. vehicles with 40+ range on a 340 manpower super fragile elite unit is a total waste of ammo and manpower. AT gun or StuG is always better.

Everything what all of you said, is correct. And that's not my point.

IMO PGs have great combat effectiveness, but in fact, they don't fit into Wehrmacht building orders. Especially with T4 and cost reduction for most Wehr infantry, Grenadier spam is much more worthwhile.

The biggest problem is their timing in early/mid game. If you skip Grenadiers, build 2 MGs and tech straight for PGs, you will get outnumbered by Conscrips for example. And with Tommy blob again, you wont stand that long with 2 PGs. And then comes the AEC/UC or USF Flak HT and you have no Faust and no MP for AC/AT Gun.

So in conclusioan, as far as I can round up:

1. Early midgame/fast tech: Panzergrenadiers' high MP cost will conflict with too less infantry and no AT options on field in time.

2. Mid-/lategame: PGs on top with 3 Grenadiers is very expansive and with no Vet vs. double Bren/Bar blobs with Vet, they struggle hard.

And that's the reason, why almost no good Wehr players builds them. Am I wrong? I can't remember any high level game where PGs were on the field. And just to remember, I am not saying PGs are bad! I just want to know, why nobody builds them (including me) and what the reasons are. For me, see conclusion above.

Hey guys,

don't know if already postet but I found out, the OST Artillery Officer is not profitting from T4 cost reduction although his 4 bodyguards are Grenadiers.