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So this change is somewhat on me, the 7.5 setup time was being pushed by Relic/Smith so I put forward that with all the offensive bonuses at a halfed set-up time all the drawbacks of the ability start to dissipate.

A hulled down panther with 960 HP on current Hull Down stats would be completely broken, if you could set hull-down in half the time people would actually start seeing how op the stats it gives actually are.

I'd rather not see the ability changed at all but if it's forced down to 7.5 seconds it cant have the offensive buffs it'd just be too OP. If you can constantly be setting up and tearing down hulldown quickly it starts removing the bad elements.

Onlive Hull-Down fits a niche, the only reason it doesn't typically see plays in 1s is that the 3 most viable Ostheer commanders are around pushing early game and countering light vehicles (ostheer's main problem). I've been using it in my 2v2 loadout for a long time as have a lot of other high rank 2v2 people, Festung and Ele Comm in particular can combine CT's damage reduction with all the bonuses from Hull Down, total aids with Panther and Ostwind.

But yeah i'm pushing for it to go untouched because it's actually a sort of well-designed ability, 15 seconds of set-up is a fairer risk-reward than 7.5 seconds if you get all the buffs you do on live. It has over-synergy with Ostwind, Panther and Command Tank

obviously, more than you...

VET 0 and 1

800hp 320 armour
vs 120 pen:
120/320 = 0,375
1/0,375=2,6667 x5(shoots required to kill 800hp)= 13,333 shoots
vs 240 pen:
240/320= 0,75
1/0.75= 1,3333x5(shoots required to kill 800hp)= 6,667 shoots

960hp 260 armour
VS 120 pen
120/260 = 0,461
1/0,461 = 2,169 x6(shoots required to kill 960hp)= 13,015 shoots
VS 240 pen
240/260 = 0,923
1/0,923 = 1,083 x6(shoots required to kill 960hp)= 6,5 shoots

VET 2 and 3

960hp 320 armour
vs 120 pen:
120/320 = 0,375
1/0,375 = 2,667x6(shoots required to kill 960hp)= 16,002 shoots
vs 240 pen:
240/320 = 0,75
1/0.75 = 1,333x6(shoots required to kill 960hp)= 7,998 shoots

960hp 286 armour
VS 120 pen:
120/286 = 0,419
1/0,419 = 2,386 x6(shoots required to kill 960hp) = 14,319 shoots
VS 240 pen:
240/286 = 0,839
1/0,839 = 1,191 x6(shoots required to kill 960hp) = 7,151 shoots

can you understand this? maybe I'm wrong or maybe you are a little troll, but numbers don't lie
even in vet 0 and 1 this change is a nerf in survivability of the panther, and in vet 2 and 3 its a huge NERF specially against medium tanks.

Practical vs Theoretical, you can't play around RNG and numbers in COH2. You'd know this if you actually played the game at a competent level

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingTangentialLyrebirdTooSpicy

Just happened upon this in ed's stream, maybe you can do the math on KT being penned 3 times in a row max range by SU85s, or 2 pens in a row from a ZIS. I'll take the 100% predictability of HP thanks

I hope you can see the irony that you call some of my statements neanderthal or extremist yet completely lambaste the patch in your own way with some pretty sophomoric references. I'm sure you're right, but you do kind of do the exact thing you criticise within your post.

This patch has gaping holes all over it yet people are up in arms about mini-nerfs. Also I feel totally vindicated on the stuff i've been trying to get into the patch for the last 2 months thats been disregarded in place of some truly shit change, so im quite salty

Aside from maybe 50% necessary changes like IL2, mortars, and stuns etc...

Way too many over nerfs and over buffs, really sad to see Relic and the balancers take such a big step backwards. Really scared about the game after this patch if it goes live in its current state.

Over buffs:

Panzergrenadiers - why give smoke, decrease muni cost, and improve far accuracy WHY ALL THREE, wtf have they not learnt anything?

222 - big mp decrease AND huge armour increase? are they crazy? Just asking for a new 222 spam meta. RIP soviet sniper and brits in general.


Over nerfs:

PPSH - who thought cons with ppsh's needed a 33% nerf? When they had 2xPPSH's no one ever used them, why would they revert to that with nothing to compensate???

Snipers - never seen one class of unit so brutalised as in this patch, you'll barely see them again. Sad really, almost seems as though there's some kind of distaste for the very place they have within our game, and they've been made borderline unusable. Vs. fast 222 there's no chance a soviet player would ever field a sniper now. 50% increase in aim time too, like wtf, have Relic and Balancers decided snipers shouldn't be part of the game now?

Unnecessary changes:

Brummbar, wtf? It's finally in a decent place now, just because it's powerful doesn't mean it needs to not be powerful...

There are more, but as I say I hope only 50% of this patch sees the light of day.

PPSH isn't a 33% nerf, thats probably the most neanderthalic way to look at it, even if it's a pretty shortsighted nerf it changes the result of the pg and volks match-up and thats about it, ppsh cons on the test patch will typically lose and win vs the same units they already do if you use them properly. 33% nerf...

No one can 100% call Soviet Snipers anything until a bunch of test games have been played, I think it makes going soviet sniper impossible vs ost but thats probably the thing most likely to change

Brumbarr is not in a remotely decent place it completely needed a nerf, the nerf that it's been given wont even stop it one shot wiping squads anyway because it still has a massive AOE. The reason you don't see it in 1v1 isn't because it's bad it's because of the mechanics of 1v1, its total aids in 2v2+. Squad preservation goes out of the window when this unit exists, it's ability to frontally assault AT-guns is old crocodilesque

The 222 and PGs are pretty much only seeing play by everyone's favourite Dane, Ostheer T2 is being straight skipped in favour of T3 in most 1v1s or is only made for Paks with Puma/Ct callins or in 2v2 after t3 or as part of a t4 rush. It might be an overbuffed tech tier but you can't say that yet.

Also to all the people moaning about 222 in this thread 222 is still going to be 222, flamer ht will still be 10x better at pushing early advantages and wiping squads. 222 will still lose to AEC, still die near instantly to AA/HT, still lose to Stuart and still suffer from pios horrible repair times (good luck spamming 222s when they each need to be repaired for 10 minutes after every ptrs volley). 600/90 fuel into low damage light vehicles sounds a great idea, i'm sure the great minds in this thread would shoot up the leaderboard if that change makes it through.

The over-reactions from people over preliminary patch notes likes it's the death of COH is really something special.

Obviously a lot of the patch is bad, this is the issue when you essentialy have 2 factions of people; relic and the balance team (which is a mess of ideas in of its-self) launching ideas at a wall and seeing what sticks.

The vast majority of the changes have purpose and that people are so insulted by things like a 0.5 second overall 1.5 second nerf to the katuysha is really fucking weird even given how horrible a change it is.

Do you know if there is a "set in stone" date for when the preview changes have to be finalized and ready for the live version?

I can only hope it is well before the holiday season starts so there will be a possibility of releasing hotfixes if any game breaking features occur.

That question is best asked to Relic directly, even Mr Smith cant answer that for you I don't think