Since someone decided to invis my first post....
Potentially problematic:
Croc callin
Royal engineers with snares.
Elite vehicle crews from USF
Valentine/Sexton combo
KV-8
LeFH in overwatch coupled with maximum vision trucks and flares everywhere. Also its 1-3 vet is matching ostheer which is a massive buff, all while having better base scatter stats.
5 man grenadiers
Stug E
Other things which are too vague which raises concerns are the M10 HEs, perimeter overwatch from UKF, M-42 AT gun, and stormtroopers honestly look terrible. |
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The description of everything is a mess. Lack of spaces and bold.
+1 A lot of things are incredibly vague. |
Yeah, screw this.
You think a 1v1 proves anything? I'll take you up on it then. I'll stomp you, and it won't mean anything. It won't mean you're wrong. It won't mean Sidaroth is right either. And it won't validate whatever view I have on the topic of this thread.
Stop being petty. People are sitting on the sidelines laughing at how biased you two are and how completely unaware of it you both seem to be.
point out the bias please. I own up to bias when I believe it's valid. Or are you just going to try end conversations like you have previously by leaving or saying I don't agree with you because it's my opinion. Opinions are fine, but understand opinions have little meaning unless they're backed up with a solid foundation. If sidaroth no shows then you're more than welcome to scrim me. You say you'll stomp me, congratulations I don't deny you're better than me. Being better doesn't make you right.
It's not an insult, I'm merely stating a fact, you always do this to anyone who doesn't think OKW is perfectly balance if not a bit underpowered.
So just go and pridepost already, that I was too "cowardly" to 1vs1 you, have fun with that.
Just don't expect me to care about it one bit, the community will also likely don't care one bit either, they might just go like "Literally who beat who?".
Even if it was a fact does not mean it is not an insult. Just an FYI though you threw shade at me first so don't be surprised when you get called out. Give me a post where I do this vs "anyone".
Show up or don't start crap.
And now because Vuther has asked nicely, PM me if you'd like this to continue. |
But I'm not talking shit! That's something you do, to anyone and everyone who complains about how USF who gets abused by OKW, because they perform what USF gameplan used to be much better than they ever could by virtue of having a better starting unit, a light vehicle that can cap, cheaper mainline infantry that can build green cover and access to MG/ATG without needing to choose only one. Even their specialized light vehicles being better than what the USF has now.
I could just go AFK and let you Pridepost about that, just like ullumulu is doing as of late, maybe you'd like to do that too? ... You know that you can just disagree with me and say that you know better without being a douchebag, but if you are tired of us 5-6-7 others complaining about OKW, let me tell you aren't the only one tired of something.
I wouldn't expect any better of him, he has always thought that attacking the person behind the argument is the way to go.
Yes this isn't an insult or anything. I don't do this to random players who are looking to improve their game through tips and better micro. I do this to players who see the game through 1 dimentional glasses because there is zero possiblity that they are the absolute perfect player and everything they complain about is unbalanced.
I have tried to disagree to without acting like an ass for years. But again i'm doing this vs multiple people who will simply not consider any other point of view because their point of view is through a single gamemode and a single faction. There is no #ADAPT for these players, or at least it looks that way. It's complain here to try and change things they actually give them trouble because they want to upgrade their rifles with 2x BARs, drag box around all 3-4 + free squads, and click around the map. I've helped many players in the replay review section previously and I've offered it to a few of these players as well, but they don't want help, they just want nerfs vs the factions they play against.
1v1 tonight, crossroads, 3hrs and 15 minutes from this post. 00:00 Zulu. You can take OKW. Join "looking for group" |
I wouldn't expect any better of him, he has always thought that attacking the person behind the argument is the way to go, not realizing that even if they improved the USF lategame it doesn't change that the faction is meant to be played in an agressive way where you make the decision and your opponent responds. Which doesn't happen vs OKW and is the main issue way beyond how silly Sturmpioners can be and Volks punching above their weight in cost, as they get all they could ever need without a Commander, besides Flamers I suppose.
There is a reason everyone is surprised when someone picks USF during the streams, if it does even happen nowadays, and not surprised at all when they end up losing.
I target you and about 5-6 others because you play 1 faction in a single gamemode and then complain in every thread involving USF saying they're absolute garbage, should never be played, give tactical nuke to USF, give axis sticks.
If you wanna talk shit you can take it to the crossroads and 1v1 me and i'll give you OPW. Should be easy to win in 5 minutes as that's how OKW is nowadays. |
Could have been pulling from memory and misremebered. 2 whole points off isn't a big deal, certainly not a reason to be a cunt about it
I don't want to be hostile, but when the same 6-7 people who ONLY play USF just say whatever they like inorder to get USF to "braindead tactical nuke I win" status you can only be nice for so long.
Did I really say OKW T4 is better than USF? Oh no, I just say USF superior late game is a myth and by your own description you are acknowledging it. Pz4 and Sherman, Jackson and Panther or Jpz4, one faction rely on a unique tool to counter armor while the other has a variety of choices and a complete army covering all aspects of the game by the moment the T3 is built.
You can't simply compare Riflemen late game in a vacuum with Obers when the first is lacking half of his support by design or to delay is own late game. When Obers hit the field, you have HMGs, Raketen, Luchs + Puma or HT + Leigs + map vision already giving you various advantages.
I repeat myself but nobody says OKW is OP or anything else, nop, but have too much advantages early game, nobody is asking for a direct nerf but an adjustement that would only bring more balance for those 5 first minutes.
It's simple, we nerf the OKW.
This guy says nerf OKW, therefore if something is receiving a nerf it must be OP.
By saying "USF being superior lategame is a myth" you are saying that OKWs lategame is better. OKW t4 is the OKW lategame unless you want to count cheesey AF rak blobs and argueably the Stuka in teamgames. It doesn't matter if OKW has access to more diverse armor like the JP4, p4, KT, and panther if the jackson can shut all of them down. Futhermore, you MUST compare obers to BAR rifles in a vaccum, otherwise I could just say "support your rifles with 50s and you'll win every engagement". Why can't the MG34 have damage to win its own engagements like the 50cal? Why can't raks be a normal AT gun instead of cheesey as shit? I don't know apparently some people enjoy having cheese in the game because it's "diverse". |
The OKW Panzer IV has 232 armor, only 28 less than the Panther which makes it a solid generalist tank, it's not like the Sherman HE shells aren't also at the mercy of RNG. Much like how the Jackson that "can handle any piece of stock OKW armor with support" can't help vs the OKW Hordes, just like with the LT vs Captain, Jackson vs Sherman is once again picking one or the other vs OKW, due to the armored skirts of the OKW Panzer IV giving it an edge over the Sherman in a duel.
OKW nerfs or USF buffs, USF buffs might cause issues in the Wehrmacht vs US matchup, so OKW nerfs sounds like the better idea.
234 armor. Shows how much on actual stats are behind these statements. |
I don't know why you keep focusing on this, the problem isn't that OKW beat USF for the 5 first minutes, it is that USF is design to beat their opponent during that time or they lose. USF isn't design to perform comeback unlike Ostheer is. USF late game superior to OKW late game is a myth, the only reason people think so is because of skill gap between players on matchmaking. A same match with a more balanced factions would see the USF player wins the same game faster.
OKW being superior to USF early game is fine if USF is given all the tools to come back, and not one tool or another aka T1 suppression or T2 AT options, but both of them on each tier and being less commander depend as Ostheer also is.
And since it is not likely to happen because of USF/OS matchup, OKW early game has to be tone down.
There is a need of a logic behind the design, if you design a faction around gaps and strong decision making (T1 vs T2) as USF is today in exchange of early domination, you can't suddenly take it away and say "it's fine, they can still comeback"...
And don't get me wrong, nobody is even talking about having USF early game superior to OKW, but a more balanced situation, a 50|50 where the best player takes the lead of the game.
Stock OKW t4 is GARBAGE compared to USF lategame. I don't know where you get these fanatical dillusions that the HE sherman is somehow worse than a P4 that relies entirely on RNG to make its cost worth, and a KT that is so laughably bad its seen as liability to buy rather then an actual worthwhile investment. The Jackson can handle any piece of stock armor OKW can field with enough support and the scott is a solid piece of indirect.
Meanwhile OKWs lategame AI includes, the KT which has IS2 scatter on a chasis that is 50% slower. The P4 whose AI is out matched by the HE sherman in AoE of the main gun and T34 in MGs. The p4 has to even purchase an MG to get the same DPS as the T34s MGs all for the bonus of shooting to the sides and rear. And lastly there is Obers, which arrive far later than standard mainline infantry who can simply match their power just by double equipping machine guns, all while having 5 men.
Try OKW before you try to balance them. |
B I G W A L L O F T E X T
USF BEATS OKW FROM 5-20 MIN MARK. KNOW WHEN TO BE AGGRESSIVE.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't neccesarily agree with everything said, but the frame of what I think is right is there.
Lemme just save the USF bois some time and form their counter argument which they've used for the last 6-9 months. "But how can I beat OKW if they apply so much pressure and win by 5 minutes and blob my cutoff?"
My answer: I don't know how did USF NOT win when they were the early game faction and OKW was the late game oriented faction 2 years ago? It's because you CANNOT win in 5 minutes. VPs guarantee that.
I dunno i'm tired...  |