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Thread: Miragefla's December Balance Mod Additions12 Dec 2015, 15:44 PM ver0.125 Centaur The modifier vs heavy cover need to reduced from 100% to match other units... Pak 43 Remove minimum range...allow to be built in base sector this is not artillery piece and should not suffer this restrictions Ostwind Remove minimum range... M-45 Anti-Tank Gun -Crews can now cloak the gun with 25% reduced speed. ... -Gains 100% increase to penetration when firing its first shot from camouflage with 25% increased accuracy. Cloak speed reduction in all atg should affect gun only and not crew, because it creates problems, for instance replacing a killed gunner takes to long. Bonus for firing from cloak to high better than RW that gain bonus at vet 3!!! In: Modding and Tools
Thread: Miragefla's December Balance Mod Additions12 Dec 2015, 15:37 PM My comments on some of you changes so far: ver0.1 Starting Weapon Crews for HMGs, Mortars, Raketen and 57mm ATG -Standardized to 1 from either 0.85 (raketen) or 1.25 (everything else). If they are tougher they should cost more to reinforce maybe 75% instead of 50. -Shocktroops from 12 to 8. 1 Population per model. 2 for Squad Shock should have at least same pop with ober so it should be closer to 10 they are 6 men after all be able to stay in battle long time. -Pioneer population from 4 to 6. 1 Population per mode, 2 for squad. Pioneer have less utility then RE and Royal engineers so there are pop should be lower to 4 or 5. Comet -Rear armoured reduced from 180 to 120 This tanks is meant to be a flanker and operate inside territory does not need rear armor reduction. 251 Flame Half-Track Needs more armor take too much damage from small arms fire. An m5 with 2 flamer C.E. does the same job allot better... Brummbar Need faster velocity projectile and lower time to aim same goes to Dozer. Jagdpanzer IV Needs better penetration SU-85 if far more cost efficient in mode... Jagdtiger If lower the rear armor remove stun...The vehicle can not react if it is flanked, due to stun lock. Penal Battalion Flamethrower Upgrade now adds 4 PPsh-41s to better mesh with the flamethrower. Stats are close to Shock Trooper PPsh-41s stats at short-range and less damage drop-off. The idea that flamers are close range weapons is misconception the have the same DPS at all ranges so the optimal range to be use it max of 25 the flamer upgrade should not replace SVT that perform better at that range than PPsh... In: Modding and Tools
Thread: The OP utility of engineers. 11 Dec 2015, 13:34 PM Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 13:12 PMpugzii lol so obvious this kids come from the main forums If you don't have anything useful to contribute pls don't post in this thread... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The OP utility of engineers. 11 Dec 2015, 13:29 PM Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:02 AMKatitof 7-6=1 Now reread what I said. Now fully quote me...The value of pop was clearly demonstrate when V.G. went from 7 (same as rifleman) to 5 (same as R.E.). The difference might not be as big because RE are weaker the riflemen but it is neither trivial as you claim... Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:02 AMKatitof Again, reinforce difference is way to low to be meaningful here, it used to, but not anymore. Its 12% and according to Relic that is considerable...yes it used to be more and that is why it was nerfed... Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:02 AMKatitof Its rifle AT nade that makes the performance difference real here. And the question is if one has a Riflemen and RE fighting a vehicle is it better for rifles to have bazzoka or for RE? Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:02 AMKatitof Apples to oranges here. What you wrote and I had to respond makes little sense: "Flamers aren't really an argument at all, because no other squad can use it." What you write is that the fact that flamers are exclusive to R.E. make flamer irrelevant. But by that logic if exclusiveness make things irrelevant same goes for shreck. If you meant something else pls explain but if you can express yourself correctly it is not the other people fault if they do not understand your argument...And as i pointed out flamer are not exclusive to R.E as you clearly write. Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:02 AMKatitof I haven't forgotten about AEs, but AEs aren't a god example of cost effective unit and hardly one that is easy to preserve or maintain. Exactly my point engineer type of units have way too much difference in cost efficiency and utility... Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:02 AMKatitof EFA engies don't perform clost to T2 infantry while being first unit on the field, nor have access to weapon racks or good scaling. EFA engies are almost exclusively repair/build/mine/cap bots while WFA and UKF engies are designed as actual combat support with actual combat scaling due to both, vet and weapon racks, therefore faction own mechanics support them heavily. Again exactly my point engineer type of units have way too much difference in cost efficiency and utility...Glad to see that you agree. Finally I don't really see why you fixated in R.E., this thread is not about them but all engineer type units. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The OP utility of engineers. 11 Dec 2015, 09:49 AM Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 09:36 AMKatitof At vet3, where RETs actually matter, the pop difference is a whooping ONE. Since it seems that you are not aware the pop of 5 men RE is 6 which is still less than a full Riflemen, which translate to 16% Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 09:36 AMKatitof ...but until vet3 will perform and survive much, much worse. No they do not perform much worse. Against Vehicles the the benefits that of more small arm DPS and received accuracy matter little and the extra man is counter weighted by the extra cost to buy, maintain and reinforce... Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 09:36 AMKatitof Flamers aren't really an argument at all, because no other squad can use it. The same way that OKW screcks don't matter because only V.G. can carry them, (this argument really makes sense). And actually you seem to forget Assault Engineers that can be upgraded with flamers.... Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 09:36 AMKatitof RE see a lot more action then pios or CEs, because they don't need to spend half of their time base building , mining or repairing armor. No, EFA engineers simply have less utility making them less cost efficient and that is why they have a limited presence on the field (usually 1 or 2 present on the field).. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The OP utility of engineers. 11 Dec 2015, 09:30 AM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 18:42 PMKatitof REs are 25 to reinforce. 3 less then rifles, incomparably worse in combat and scaling. There isn't much of a reason to go for REs unless you need dedicated capper. Riffles are 12% more expensive to reinforce than RE and that is not trivial, and you are also forgetting the the upkeep cost and pop limit where rifle have 40% more. The are actually a good option for carrying Bazookas and (doctrinal)flamers. RE see allot more action than Pioneer or C.E. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The OP utility of engineers. 11 Dec 2015, 09:19 AM Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 02:52 AMBeefSurge If utility is OP, Conscripts are the most broken units ingame. Yes in my opinion they do have too much utility and some of their utility could be given to other infantries like penals to make them more attractive but there is also another difference most of their utility comes from doctrinal abilities... Further more too much utility does not make units broken it simply makes them spamable (as your conscript example). Why should a UKF player make have only 1 to 2 Ro. Eng. on the field as many EFA players do, when Ro. Eng. are extremely cost efficient? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The OP utility of engineers. 11 Dec 2015, 00:29 AM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 15:59 PMKreatiir Asymmetrical balance dude. As you can see it's working like a charm. Oh wait Has little to do with Asymmetrical balance or Faction bias, EFA engineers in both factions are quite less efficient in combat (and repair speed) making them less cost efficient and that is why one sees less of them... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The OP utility of engineers. 10 Dec 2015, 15:47 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 15:31 PMEtherealDragon I don't see how this is a distinction that needs to be made. Sov and Ost engineers already have extremely limited fighting power and already can't upgrade both flamethrower and hazard removal package. If you make flamethrower nerf their other building utilities then you're forcing these factions to waste MP on multiple Engineer units just for the sake of artificial specialization. ... Exactly WFA engineer have far less utility than other armies, I you actually read my suggestion I did not suggest any "nerf" to them (I did not actually suggest "nerfs" for most of the units..)... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The OP utility of engineers. 10 Dec 2015, 15:24 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 14:47 PMKozokus Sorry, my "nerf eng" was juste a unimaginative troll. On the contrary i think i should read them. Beeing passionated by the game and a member of the community i think i should read everything and not just what pleases me. ... It is refreshing to see that one can avoid trolling and give a opinion without insults. Apology not necessary (but accepted since given). Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 14:47 PMKozokus If i can give an advice i would suggest you to point your analytic mind in that direction. Kozo. Advice taken into account but personally disagree. It is true more important issues than engineer atm but that does not mean that engineer issues should not be looked at. The number of engineer types units built is after all realted to the relative cost efficiency of the base infantry..(if IS get nerfed more Ro.Eng. will be built, V.G. get a cost increase more S.P. being built...) Relic has been playing with balance for year now without fixing things that are easier to be fixed and that might actually help with balance. For instance WFA veterncy abilities and veterancy bonuses should be looked at months ago...a large number of small change can influence balance as much a few big ones... Anyway thanks for changing your tone... In: COH2 Gameplay