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Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2015, 06:31 AMAustralian Magic

I don't find them UP.
Whenever I pick them it's damn easy to get 30-80kills.
Shocks/Guards are nowhere close to such ease with killing infantry.
Once vet 2/3 they are unstoppable.

Old meta of Volks and then double Obers killing everything was truly broken. We dont want to see that again.

If game is in my favour and I don't need extra push with call-in infantry, I always go for Obers.

I cannot remember single game with Shocks/Guards/Rifles with 90kills, but I remember at few where Obers got over 80 kills.

Jump back to quoted post3 Aug 2015, 14:40 PMnee

Here's a random thought that might add some novel use out of Obers:

First, reduce the veterancy rate of all OKW units.
Second, slightly reduce Obersoldaten cost while slightly reducing fighting effectiveness.
Third, Obersoldaten gains a radius that boosts things like veterancy rate to all nearby units.

This makes Obers an supporting infantry squad to all surrounding units, and works on the opposite concept of USF officers: rather than gaining XP from nearby units, it allows nearby units to vet faster. You will always want at least one of them in a game because that means your other units will become veterans faster.

What this means is the Ober squad becomes less of another anti-infantry killing machine and more of a benefactor to the entire army. Strategy around the Ober then makes it one where you'll aways want such a unit around, but must consider its costs relative to what your army can get from it. Moreover, the enemy can deny this advantage by targeting the squad, which still has 4-man size and no anti-tank capabilities of its own.

In a typical game then, any player spotting an Ober squad will know that the opponent has spent the resources to improve the rest of his units. This might end up being a trivial issue if you can quickly destroy his better units and keep him on his toes- a few units with greater vet gain won't always be a powerful benefit if he just keeps losing units.

The rationale behind this idea is that Obers are meant to portray veteran troops, and this method of designing Obers sort of reflects that. They can perform combat roles, but it is neither their forte, and neither would you be using your investment efficiently.

Jump back to quoted post3 Aug 2015, 02:09 AMArclyte

lol, someone is challenging the dogma of krupp steel, and you get upset

in terms of P4 vs T-34, it's actually a bit more in the T-34s favor than I thought







Like I said I think the P4s are they are are fine. As far as CoH2 goes, I always felt the P4 should have the better gun, but the T-34 should have better armor. The P4 for some reason has both, and costs more. In a game of attrition that CoH usually turns in to, the "cheap" T-34 ends up dying off easily and making them becomes inefficient very quickly

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2015, 16:15 PMElSlayer

Agreed, Soviets put more heavier armour, because
T-34 have more armor than Pz.IV
T-34-85 > Pz.IV Ausf.J
KV-1 > Panther
SU-85 > JgPz.IV
ISU > Ele

And about 80 HP buff:
SU-76 surely doesn't need that buff, while StuG III definitely need 560 HP
because PTRS are better against StuG than Schreks aganst SU-76.