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Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2020, 11:50 AMA table

That's a good way to discredit yourselfs there. Penetration is one of the major things that has been/is used in pretty much every balance update this game has had so far. So it is a good argument to bring up.

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2020, 11:23 AMCreativeName

t34/76 is the most cost efficient tank in the game and zis gun is op, there isnt really something to argue about that.

If you want to disagree with GiaA's statement that soviet is OP i suggest you start mentioning healing and ostruppen

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2020, 10:40 AMHannibal

That's the issue: you are 100% convinced by it and therefore conclude you must be 100% right since everything is self evident, which is often not the case.
Example: your ammo point.
I just gave you a quick calc showing that Sov have roughly the same ammo need for their mainline (at least when playing T2), they just spend it later (however I forgot the Ost medic bunker). Apart from mainline upgrades, why do Axis suddenly need more ammo? They do not. Axis have quicker access to nades, but if you spend ammo on nades instead of mines then this is a choice.
The ammo difference up to the midgame is about 1 mine.

Also your point about popcap - that's a mere statement. Your point about the normal T34 is the same and I would even say factually wrong since all P4s are much stronger in survivability. Other point are as I already said faction flavor, just like Axis get stock access to elite infantry for example. If I want to explain how Obers are OP vs Allies a mere 'they exist' is not a good argument. I'd rather have to explain how they completely shut down Allies play with very few counters and deduce that they lack a weakness or something. But this is missing in many of your points.

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2020, 09:38 AMSuperHansFan

The game could use a popcap patch in general

MGs and ATG are too easy to fit into builds late game. Like you can have T34s and SUs, a vet t70, infantry core and still fit in double ZIS and dskhs no problem. You can't really do this with UKF with Churchill, FF, bolstered section pop which all cost more than their sov counterparts. USF has the advantage of decrew, but they also have to sink pop into ambo and officers. The only faction that trades popcap for healing

Not to mention the ZIS also doubles as a mortar you can see why this is problematic. You can really just lock down as soviets, similar to how old Ost could with mobile defense meta

OKW only really need one sturm for repairs, obers are costly but are worth the pop after vet 2. I feel like okw only struggle if you rely on volks late game

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2020, 10:11 AMHannibal

This thread will probably go nowhere.
Half of what you pointed out are actual faction design points to keep flavor for Soviets, just like other factions have their specialties. You do not try to explain why you think they were OP, you just state that they are without backing it up.

A lot of other points revolve around Soviet munitions float: yes, Soviets can float munitions early on. That does not mean they have more overall.
They spend usually about 4x50 on on Conscripts in the mid late game, Ostheer usually spends 3x60 on grens and OKW 3-4x60 on Volks. It's not far off, just the timing is different. This by itself could be an issue, but also here you never try to reason why that was the case.