Tiger does not have a JP4 to cover it, while IS-2 could have an SU85, if it needs it of course.
Regarding commanders: 1 commander has incendiary, shox, stealth AT and kv8, another has radio intercept, t34-85, insane AI loiter and self repair.
Both commanders are far from bad.
About use cases: I suppose you ignored Storjager's comments and the replay I posted, where panther could do jack vs IS-2.
And about uselessness of spreadsheet: you have to understand where to watch and to what pay attention. Just saying it has little value, because some illusive commanders and unknown use cases does not clarify why IS2 is worse then Tiger. That sounds to me like Ulumu's comment about how Comment has better AI then KT.
IMO the kv-8 is a noob trap in team mode, you need to stay around infantry with shreks, long range snares and distant ATG stun to do damage. And no, contrary to popular belief, the KV-8 wont counter and will basically insta die to 4-5 panzergrenadiers with panzershreks equipped. as this can happen in larger gamemodes (but this counts for all allied armor) OF COURSE it can happen that you snowball with the kv-8 as the enemy didn't expect it for whatever reason and has no reply to it, so you cause insane damage, albeit very rarely. I see kv-8 users, in different situations, eventually getting routed due to being outnumbered in tanks (as the kv-8 doesnt exactly do anything vs them)
Shock rifle frontline has saturated anti-infanty, camo, heavy tanks, yet it feels lackluster, focused too much on AI
armored assault is a good doctrine but you invest it all into armor - you have no conscript upgrades or elite infantry to fight with. The loiter is real nice though, even if axis have an anti-everything loiter |
IS-2 used to have 240 damage with better AI and reload of 9 sec until 2014 and people did not like it.
So they changed that with better AT gun/160 damage and 6.4 secs reload.
and it still misses as the old is-2 did
this is the only response i can give:  |
care to explain why in details?
the reasons might be that a tiger can tear up squads with it's laser cannon, causing stronger bleed
and then the armor the tiger faces is either lacking in durability, or is tanky but with a weak gun (or a comet) |
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and add the leopard 2A7 tanks that replace the king tiger while grenadiers get x4 lmgs that cannot be replaced once models start dropping |
In sort the "flaw" is that one can counter the unit:
1)by Supported Panther
This is not really "flaw" a Panther role is exactly that to counter heavily armored vehicles. The real problem would be if a supported Panther couldn't not counter the IS-2 since axis would have no stock option and they would have to use the same doctrines again and again
2)by JT/Elefant
These more expensive dedicated TDs are doctrinal and their role is exactly to counter heavily armored vehicles. The real problem would be if these heavy TD couldn't not counter the IS-2 since there would be no reason to even purchase these units if they couldn't deal with an IS-2
3)by KT
A more expensive in cost a tech heavy tank.
So no, there is no flaw in IS-2.
About bringing nothing new to the table, that is not really IS-2 fault. People complain about KV-2 so it was redesigned to be closer to IS-2 and now there are complains that are to similar.
If a unit need to change that would be KV-2 which is an assault gun and not IS-2 which is a heavy tank.
retarded post
1 - what is the purpose of a heavy tank if a non-doctrinal tank can essentially face tank and beat you? doesn't even kite, you just smash your armor into it and both tanks drop to 1 shot kill range, very skillful indeed. allies obviously cant have heavy tank meta
2- jts/eles hard counter allied mediums, allied tank destroyers, and allied heavy tanks, not ONLY the heavy tanks. unrelated, but the balance team decided to also nerf basically all counters to these tumors at least once
3- it doesn't beat the king tiger and it shouldn't anyway, im just saying that you insta lose the game if you have an is-2 and they have a non-doctrinal heavy tank that very likely sees a "every fucking game"% pickrate in team mode and around "half the games" pickrate in 1v1s
also the kv-2 and is-2 are not the same?? they currently aren't and the kv-2 is already an assault gun with a playstyle unique compared to other heavies
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elite armor and brummbar auto wins the middle point for you, there's nothing you can do, focus the side VPs instead |
Which is perfectly possible just without this ability. Just let the squad get suppressed, and the others flank the MG. Any good player will try to switch targets to the flanking squads manually. It doesn't matter much if your middle squad is immobile by suppression or hit the dirt. It's immobile, so the defender will switch targets.
You either time the flanking maneuver well enough to make it or not, but this ability does not help.
You're actually taking your own squad out of the fight. Even before it got suppressed, which technically means that you allow the opponent to switch targets earlier than necessary.
if you get suppressed normally you cant move and he will switch targets, with this way if he switches target you will send the hit-the-dirt squad mobile and walk straight through the machine gun
god has given you the ability to do human wave tactics, and you shall utilize them if you are audacious |
This ability is probably one of the worst you could get for a close range squad.
its an anti-mg ability and that's what matters, one squad eats up suppression and the others oorah around it |
All of the bulletin descriptions match that as well. "It did not penetrate, it just exploded Tigers with 122mm", and yet ingame it's not really impactful. I'd also be for such a redesign, priced the same as the stock King Tiger, stats mimicked but unique. KT would have it's weaknesses and strengths, and so would the IS2
this is the ideal solution, to turn it into a king tiger for the allies
but this would mean that the allies get an assault tank, god forbid the balance team lets allies have actually threatening heavy armor
They have Ptsd of some ancient time while current team mode is king tiger into elefant into overwatch or jagdtiger and nothing fucking else but axis heavy armor, its literally only heavy armor and lefh spam
its sure fucking fun, but god forbid the allies beat our armor that we can fucking a-move at this point |
And cons behind plenty of green cover will be easily suppressed by any MG due to there always being one model which can't fit properly behind cover, hence the large sandbag they can place. Your whole thread is mind-numbingly dumb and the arguments are silly at best.
assault package --> hit the dirt --> underappreciated commander ability |
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