Thought about that, but it's impossible to code sadly. Shared veterancy is apparently something that can't be temporarily turned on/off.
Bummer 
Not sure about the veterancy shuffling to be honest, seems like an overall nerf. Combat blitz at vet 4 feels very odd. Is it too much to ask that blitz come stock and make vet 4 something else entirely? Smoke cannisters (like Sherman) maybe? |
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Is it possible to give the Command Tiger shared veterancy while the command aura is active? Would make it worth using at the cost of the Tiger's lethality. |
My preferred options:
a. Stuka Smoke drop:
Cheap recon ability, Smoke would have GREAT synergy with Assgrens and tanks. Stuka smoke drop would also be a unique ability for Ostheer and FITS a a lot better to the aggressive play style of "Strategic reserves".
OR
2. Reworked Sector Artillery from "Breakthrough".
The commander is lacking a heavy ammo based ability, strong arty fits to "Strategic Reserves" (General Staff providing additional mun reserves for a counter attack), Wehrmacht does not have great off map arty and "Sector Arty" needs a rework for years. Sounds like an promising combo, doesnt it?
I support both of these ideas, great feedback. |
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It'd be great if all heavies were tied to tech, but until then the OKW Tiger's cost should be reflective of it currently being the only heavy with this rule. If and when all heavies get overhauled, address its cost to match the rest. |
Arguing STG obers don't have enough utility when they have:
Bundle grenade
Boby trap point
Vet 1 damaging smoke grenade
Vet 3 passive healing
Vet 4 suppressive fire (which still works with the STG)
Vet 5 passive sprint
There STG mostly ignores cover (0.9 instead of 0.5) and is still effective at max range
AND get one of the lowest RAs in the game
Almost all of those things come with the LMG as well. They're not incentives to go the IR STG route.
Exclusive Camo and or smoke nades would be however. |
It should be noted that while it’s not crazy, Obersoldaten become one of the best mobile passive detectors of stealth units with IR. Probably not advisable for a stealth unit to have great detection.
Deal! Trade the detection for camo.  |
I have a very less-is-more attitude. Don't get me wrong, abilities are good, they add depth and make things interesting. It'd be a lesser game without them.
But if you overdo it, you add unnecessary complexity. You make the game harder to understand without making it better. Look at JLI: they're saturated with abilities, but how many actually get used?
Obersoldaten are late-game combat infantry to supplement Volks as they get outscaled and/or wiped. You've already got a whole army of moving parts on the field by then: the game doesn't lack for depth at that stage. There's nothing wrong with them being straightforward combat units.
They've already got a bundle grenade, a white phosphorous smoke grenade and booby traps. If they're not strong enough, I'd make them stronger before loading even more chaff onto them.
I really don't see how giving STG Obers passive camouflage is adding unnecessary complexity. It's not an ability you activate, and if anything it's adding consistency to the game by applying the same theme to them as other elite CQC infantry who get camouflage and or smoke grenades. It makes less sense that they do not get either while all others do. Even PGrens are getting smoke nades. |
I don't think it would.
But I also don't think "it wouldn't be OP" is a reason to do it. The command abilites on the WC51 aren't OP, but that doesn't make them not irritating clutter that shouldn't be there.
I appreciate the added insight into your argument. I guess that's the difference in our perspectives, I don't see added utility as irritating clutter; I see them as additional tools that help define/differentiate the unit's role. |
I like how the moment you're incapable of reasonably respond to value based arguments you go straight for ad-hominem.
Well there's the crux of it, I don't believe your arguments hold any value. |
This sounds like you're complaining about Obersoldaten themselves, not IR STGs vs LMGs.
Obersoldaten timing certainly does not help the argument for the current state of IR STGs. Overhauling OKW teching isn't on the table, but IR STGs are.
Let me ask you this, do you actively think bundling the IR STG upgrade with smoke grenades and or camo would make them OP? If so, why? |
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