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OKW AAHT was effectively used by and against top players, so if you're complaining about it, problem is somewhere between chair and a keyboard.
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Alright so apparently whenever a select few of the already very small population of top players decides to use a unit that means it's perfectly balanced and cannot be underpowered. So, by this awful logic, that must also mean that no unit can be over powered provided that a handful of top players don't use it.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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I'm not talking about top players doing meme strats against scrubs, I'm talking about its use on competitive level.
If tops use it against tops, then its not underpowered.
At absolutely worst, its overshadowed by mechanized.
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Once again that doesn't work as a gauge of a units balance, at all. It assumes that all top players involved have equal skill level and that the OKW player didn't win because of numerous other factors including better use of his units.
A better player will always have the advantage even with subpar units.
And of course we should never make definitive balance statements based off of a few uses of a unit by a tiny number of players.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Not really sure what you're trying to say here.
If win was assured by a specific unit, then that's a testamtent to that units being overpowered to the point of overshadowing these other factors.
Unit should be just another factor, not a reason for win.
Not against other better player.
Even top players don't use conscripts outside of heavily doctrine supported builds. If your theory was true, conscripts would be competitive, but they aren't.
AAHT is, but current meta dictates the use of P2+Puma combo, which as I have said already, overshadows AAHT alone.
Ofc we shouldn't, but do we have any proof that there is anything wrong with AAHT outside of (giving massive credit to the OP and supporters) average players at best claims?
While good artisan will craft well with bad tools too, a bad artisan will still fail even with pristine high quality tools.
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My point is that there are always multiple reasons for why a player wins a match, like you said, a unit is just another factor so the fact that somebody won using an AA halftrack doesn't mean it's a good unit, it means that the person using it knew what they were doing and had many other units at there disposal which they also used effectively.
I wasn't using the term "better player" to refer to top players, I was using it in it's literal sense. If two top level players play a match, the better player between the two is likely to win, sometimes even if they use a subpar unit.
No Conscripts wouldn't be competitive with my "theory" because conscripts are underpowered, however something being underpowered doesn't mean that they can't sometimes see some success when they are used by a very good player against a slightly worse or unlucky player.
For what reason do you think that mechanized builds are meta and are the more viable option between the two trucks? Shouldn't that mean that Battlegroupe is somewhat underpowered? After all, Battlegroupe is cheaper, comes earlier, gives access to medics, and gets you to T3 faster, so there must be something wrong if people want to go so far out of there way just to get a P2 or Puma.
I see it a lot like Soviet T2, it's a far less popular and successful tier because it has underpowered units (Maxim/AA Halftrack) and mediocre units (Soviet mortar/LeiG) and there is a much more effective alternative in the form of T1 for Soviets. Both factions have an effective tier and a largely ineffective tier.
Do you have any evidence that the people making these arguments are average at best, or is that just convenient for your argument?
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Another fact that you have covered was the fact that both SU and OKW share a similiar situation which is one of their bases being ineffective because of the units in particular.
SU with their Maxim
OKW with their Flak Half Track
Currently FHT is very situational, depends a lot on what the enemy is using. Most of the time, if the Allied player uses anything with AT lights and infantry of sorts, it is simply screwed. Like having an SU M3A1 Scour Car with on top Penals equipped with PTRS. Just prone to many and other things also. Even firearms does enough damage to scare it off.
FHT suffers a huge deathloop also.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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FHT suffers a huge deathloop also.
The fuck you're talking about?
It does not even have pack up time anymore for years now and you clearly have no idea what a deathloop is, you don't have a line of halftrucks exploding one after another when trying to pick the flak from the ground.
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At least bunkers don't have the "you can hit me but you can't hurt me" button. If they remove the brace BS from emplacements it is fine even if they give them x10 damage of the current ones.
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Tip: waiting for brace to end before hit the emplacement again, it only last 10 seconds. I know you are really in a hurry to keep blobbing but please have at least a bit of patient.
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That analogy is completely inaccurate.
Soviet T1 doesn't overshadow T2.
Getting maxim is simply shooting yourself in foot and cons are mainline infantry without any backbone, therefore they can't carry themselves, not to mention other units without dedicating doctrine to them.
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Who said I am blobbing ? Dude...
Brace ability is what makes brit emplacements cancer nothing else. If I am putting on a 10 second or less arti barrage it is completely safe. Note that many precision barrages are less than 10 seconds.
Panzer tactician is no different than a skill shot. Hardly a "Free" get out of jail card.
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Who said I am blobbing ? Dude...
Brace ability is what makes brit emplacements cancer nothing else. If I am putting on a 10 second or less arti barrage it is completely safe. Note that many precision barrages are less than 10 seconds.
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You actualy got the point. Brace is there so you cant 1 click delete any emplacement, since they cant retreat.
I will take back what i said about you blobbing (an other overreact by me, sorry)
But i have to ask, Is it that difficult to get 2 ig or mortar and set them barrage after each other ?
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You actualy got the point. Brace is there so you cant 1 click delete any emplacement.
I will take back what i said about you blobbing (an other overreact by me, sorry)
But i have to ask, Is it that difficult to get 2 ig or mortar and set them barrage after each other ?
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If all you use to destroy an emplacement are IDF barrages, I think I found your problem.
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No it is not that difficult especially with the current raketen outranging the bofors but the time and investment needed to take out the bofors was higher than the bofors' cost. That was my point my man.
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