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ONow, this may sound crazy, but is there anything inherently wrong with upping the fuel cost of the StuG to 110 or even 120 and making it more of a generalist unit like the p4? Get rid of target weak point and increase the aoe of it's main gun a bit to be less good than a p4 but better than what it is now.
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I think it was more a problem of the SU-76 also obliterating AT guns.
One SU-76's barrage was okay.
Four of them at once was a dead Pak.
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I think it was more a problem of the SU-76 also obliterating AT guns.
One SU-76's barrage was okay.
Four of them at once was a dead Pak.
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If I invest 1080 mp, 280 fu and 140 munis to kill a single unit while the opponent hasn't done anything to punish this huge resource sink, it should damn well obliterrate the Pak.
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You'd get a pack of them, they'd be able to counter their weight in tanks no problem, and you couldn't use infantry anti-tank because four SU-76 barrages would fall on your head every time.
Unfortunately, the loss of versatility also killed the SU-76 in 1v1.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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The MG only showes up the StuG because it shoots at everything.
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Hold fire should just apply to the pintle mgs as well, it's really annoying when you reveal a unit you're trying to hide because your tank tries to shoot down the plane.
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The problem is, you would need an extra ability for that, so MGs really stop shooting. A real passive modus.
But again, I really think the MG on StuG G is useless. Maybe a real silence ability can help.
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Why not rename StuG G to StuG F. Same stats, same price BUT:
- remove the Vet2 skirts, instead split the Vet3 relaod a little bit.
- option to upgrade StuG F to StuG G when T4 is searched.
-> 100mp and 15fuel for skirts (Vet2 hp and armor buff) and +5 range.
Edit: that wouldn't destroy the current balancing, but would increase the performance of StuG a little bit, if you need it in late-game to counter tank-hunters it can penetrate. So it still has problems versus Churchills etc. so Panther or PaK40 will be still needed. So also an answer for the Jackson thread.
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Tbh skirts feel more like a battle phase bonus than vet anyways...
Would be a way to shake up Ost and make BP mean something.
Take away the skirts and replace them with something else as a vet ability.
Allow the skirts upgrade as either a purchased upgrade or bonus when teching BP3.
IMO each BP should unlock something for the tier before it as a passive and unlock an option for purchase. Then even sitting in a t3 strat the player has some reason to grab that last BP. it would be a great way to bump stug effeciency (and p4 too) without simply rewarding critical mass.
Not sure what all it could do exactly but I think it's an interesting route to improving weak scaling Ost units.
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The main problem I have with JP4 is the horrendous accuracy.
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At vet 0 it has 0.06/0.05/0.04 which is higher than the SU-85 and the Jackson.
A stock Firefly has the same, but +10% more with the commander upgrade.
At vet 2 it gets +20% accuracy where the SU-85 and Jackson get +30%, which makes it only very slightly worse than the SU-85 (0.048 vs 0.052) but still better than the Jackson and better than the Firefly at that point. The Firefly gets +30% at vet 3 which gives it 0.052 or 0.057 (+10%).
However, the Jagdpanzer IV gets an additional +15% accuracy at vet 4.
At this point it becomes the most accurate tank in the game (0.099/0.083/0.067).
It even gets a +25% accuracy bonus for the first shot out of camo on top of that at vet 5.
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You have to keep in mind as I pointed out in another thread that FF has x150 long mid range than JP at 45 instead of 30. If you want to compared accuracy you should do at the same range.
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But what is the point of comparing accuracy at range 30-45 for vehicles that are meant to engage at range 55-60? I only included near and mid range for clarification, not for comparison. As you might notice from my second paragraph, I'm only comparing max range accuracy.
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Does the minute details of who has the light edge within 5 range really matter? Like REALLY? it's gumming up the thread for what? Brownie points?
They are both incredibly accurate. Cool good. GREAT even! Moving on....
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